Avatar4321 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, revelstoked said: * Some talk that focuses on what people are doing with the one hour not spent in church meetings on Sunday. * Men will get a 13 day video game and sports fast. This includes watching people play video games and sports. Count your blessings brethren, it was nearly a 13 day media fast (all media, not just social). * No talk of the new Youth Program, I agree with @rockpond it will come in October. I honestly don't see any need for another big set of changes. We need to let these settle in and see how they play out. I didn’t see the need for a 2 hr block 3
Popular Post Hamba Tuhan Posted October 15, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, mnn727 said: So far President Nelson has made some major changes: For what it's worth, several speakers noted in General Conference that preparation for these changes has been in place for many years. Several of them were foreshadowed by Elder Bednar in the priesthood leadership training he did with us here nearly four years ago. It has certainly been Pres Nelson who has announced changes, but -- on a number of levels -- I don't think he's been the one making them. 56 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I kind of think the personality of the church is being sucked out. As I've noted numerous times before, Elder Bednar did warn us that it would be American Saints who would struggle most with the changes necessary for the Church to become a truly global institution capable of fulfilling its divine mission of bringing individuals to Christ. As far as what more is to come, Elder Bednar in the same meeting said that the structure and culture of the Church would be completely unrecognisable by the time the Lord is finished reshaping them. I believe him. There is much more to come. As he also said, the Lord has just finished laying the foundation of the Restoration; now it's time to build the actual temple. Edited October 15, 2018 by Hamba Tuhan 6
Avatar4321 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: For what it's worth, several speakers noted in General Conference that preparation for these changes has been in place for many years. Several of them were foreshadowed by Elder Bednar in the priesthood leadership training he did with us here nearly four years ago. It has certainly been Pres Nelson who has announced changes, but -- on a number of levels -- I don't think he's been the one making them. As I've noted numerous times before, Elder Bednar did warn us that it would be American Saints would struggle most with the changes necessary for the Church to become a truly global institution capable of fulfilling its divine mission of bringing individuals to Christ. As far as what more is to come, Elder Bednar in the same meeting said that the structure and culture of the Church would be completely unrecognisable by the time the Lord is finished reshaping them. I believe him. There is much more to come. As he also said, the Lord has just finished laying the foundation of the Restoration; now it's time to build the actual temple. Can you expound at all on building the actual temple?
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: Can you expound at all on building the actual temple? The Church going forward? According to Elder Bednar, whatever we had when he spoke was not it. I think we're seeing some of the first courses of stones being laid right now, but unless one has access to the blueprints, it's hard to extrapolate a finished structure from a few stones.
Duncan Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, rongo said: It wasn't just then-Elder Nelson. There were many others. But, c'mon! The Tabernacle being renovated as the "historic" conference thing? historic maybe but not exciting!
Robert F. Smith Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, mnn727 said: ........................................ So, what are your predictions for what other changes will happen between now and the next Conference? Construction of two new temples will be announced: the Great Temple in Independence, Missouri, and in Far West, Missouri, along with construction of new Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints HQ in Independence.. Utilizing the purchase by the Church of vast tracts of land in Missouri, construction of housing for those called to return to the Center Stake of Zion will also be announced. Thousands of callings to make the move to Missouri will go out after April Conference. The April 2019 Conference will be the last General Conference held in SLC, and the Tabernacle Choir on Temple Square will thereafter become the Celestial Navigation Choir (CNC), with Lloyd Newell and the Spoken Word broadcast from the Center Stake of Zion each Sunday morning right on into the Millennium. Joseph Smith University (JSU) will be built in nearby Liberty, Missouri, and will become the flagship university and CES institution of the Church. The Boy Scout program will be replaced by a new Young Pioneer program (for both young men and young women) in 2019, with a Saint of the Last Days medallion replacing the Eagle Scout award. YP will emphasize End Time preparation, with early morning seminary extended to all youth 12 years of age and over. Relief Society sisters will again be authorized to administer blessings. Hastening the work. Edited October 16, 2018 by Robert F. Smith 3
Robert F. Smith Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: ............................. independence temple built Far west temple built a replacement program for scouting Great minds think alike.
Robert F. Smith Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 4 hours ago, rongo said: .............. a "dud" conference ........................ ...................... a need to preen for the audience. Preening and duds? Arriba y adelante !! Si se puede !!
Robert F. Smith Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 3 hours ago, rockpond said: It's possible that he feels this way but he also seems to be the healthiest 95 year old I have ever encountered. Perhaps he'll be our first 100 year old Prophet. He'll be the last President before the Millennium. 1
Avatar4321 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: He'll be the last President before the Millennium. What makes you think that?
Robert F. Smith Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Avatar4321 said: What makes you think that? He is clearly in very good health, and the End Times are already coming at us like a fast freight. We can see the signs of the times. 1
RevTestament Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: He'll be the last President before the Millennium. The so-called millennium has already started. Hinckley was the last president of the sixth seal. 5 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Construction of two new temples will be announced: the Great Temple in Independence, Missouri, and in Far West, Missouri, along with construction of new Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints HQ in Independence.. Utilizing the purchase by the Church of vast tracts of land in Missouri, construction of housing for those called to return to the Center Stake of Zion will also be announced. Thousands of callings to make the move to Missouri will go out after April Conference. The April 2019 Conference will be the last General Conference held in SLC, I sense strong tones of facetiousness - either that or an overly exuberant interpretation of scripture. The New Jerusalem has not been built because Joseph Smith was not the servant of 3 Nephi. Quote and the Tabernacle Choir on Temple Square will thereafter become the Celestial Navigation Choir (CNC), with Lloyd Newell and the Spoken Word broadcast from the Center Stake of Zion each Sunday morning right on into the Millennium. The Celestial Navigation Choir? That's a cute one, but I do like the Latter Day Saint Choir. Quote Joseph Smith University (JSU) will be built in nearby Liberty, Missouri, and will become the flagship university and CES institution of the Church. I like that idea. I give it an A+, but I predict it will be a few more years... Quote The Boy Scout program will be replaced by a new Young Pioneer program (for both young men and young women) in 2019, with a Saint of the Last Days medallion replacing the Eagle Scout award. Hey - a realistic prediction! If we aren't going to have the Scouts program. They have been working on a replacement program. They have practically already announced when it will be implemented by announcing when scouting will be discontinued. I like that Saint of the Latter Days award! Unisex right? 1
Avatar4321 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: He is clearly in very good health, and the End Times are already coming at us like a fast freight. We can see the signs of the times. Maybe I'm missing some signs. I fully expect Oaks & Holland to be President of the Church someday Edited October 16, 2018 by Avatar4321 1
halconero Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 14 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: He hasn’t brought up how he gets revelation in Conference? That was his entire talk last april I meant in reasonably explicit terms. In Calgary he and his wife outlined how he received revelation in great detail, including the times of day, manners in which he receives it, when she needs to leave the room, how he records it, etc. 2
Gray Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: He is clearly in very good health, and the End Times are already coming at us like a fast freight. We can see the signs of the times. So, realistically no more than five years before the eschaton? I'd better catch up on The Good Place. Edited October 16, 2018 by Gray 1
Gray Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 15 hours ago, rongo said: I'm a little concerned with what my dad calls the "Twitter Mormons' " hysteria about expecting each Conference to have bigger and more surprising changes, outdoing the last Conference each time. Not only is this unrealistic, but I think that this particular group ("Twitter Mormons") tends to let their let-downs and disappointments when their hopes and expectations aren't realized turn into criticism or unrest. Granted, it is exciting and refreshing to have sweeping changes in these first two under President Nelson. I just don't want to see people getting frustrated or angry when we have "normal" no-changes Conferences. It would be too bad if too many people feel like it was a "dud" conference if there weren't sweeping changes. The OP is in a spirit of just for fun (and it is), but there is an underlying feeling under the surface that feeds into this phenomenon. I think it manifests itself in things like the whooping and hollering during temple announcements. Like this is a Twittergrambook thing with likes/dislikes and a need to preen for the audience. Next conference I'm expecting Eat Pray Love to be canonized and the announcement that church walls will no longer be carpeted - but the ceilings will be! Gotta keep ramping things up. 2
Robert F. Smith Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Gray said: So, realistically no more than five years before the eschaton? I'd better catch up on The Good Place. Nah, more like a decade or so. Nelson is just in such good health that he may have the body of a 70-year-old. Had to look up your reference to a TV comedy series about the afterlife. Haven't had a chance to check it out.
Robert F. Smith Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Avatar4321 said: Maybe I'm missing some signs. I fully expect Oaks & Holland to be President of the Church someday Nope. Always a bridesmaid, never a bride, as the old saying goes. More like a game of checkers.
Gray Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said: Nah, more like a decade or so. Nelson is just in such good health that he may have the body of a 70-year-old. Had to look up your reference to a TV comedy series about the afterlife. Haven't had a chance to check it out. You should, it's great! I don't think there's another comedy series that regularly discusses Hume, Mill, Kant, Kierkegaard, etc. It's very clever. 2
rongo Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 12 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: He'll be the last President before the Millennium. Not according to my children's patriarchal blessings. According to them, they will have grandchildren at least before the "winding up scenes." 7 hours ago, RevTestament said: The so-called millennium has already started. Hinckley was the last president of the sixth seal. Only under strained JW-style special pleading and wresting . . . If we're already in the Millennium, when do the lions start lying down with the lambs? When can the children begin playing at the opening of the cockatrice's dens? 1
Avatar4321 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, rongo said: Not according to my children's patriarchal blessings. According to them, they will have grandchildren at least before the "winding up scenes." Only under strained JW-style special pleading and wresting . . . If we're already in the Millennium, when do the lions start lying down with the lambs? When can the children begin playing at the opening of the cockatrice's dens? I believe Brigham Young stated that the Millenium will start in the homes of the saints as quickly as they live the Gospel. So some of us may already have started it
rongo Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, Avatar4321 said: I believe Brigham Young stated that the Millenium will start in the homes of the saints as quickly as they live the Gospel. So some of us may already have started it Yes, from a "lives hidden in Christ" standpoint. But not for the sweeping scope of scripture (only terrestrial + people on earth, translated and resurrected beings helping with the work, all accepting Christ's reign over the earth, etc.). Not even close for that.
mfbukowski Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 18 hours ago, rockpond said: It's a little early... the only change I am still anticipating is the demise of the annual statistical report. Pres. Nelson will probably keep announcing temples. But, I would be nice as well if he stood up and said something to the effect of: "We're not gonna announce any new temples until we get caught up on the 31 temples still awaiting a groundbreaking." I think you do not understand the preparation needed to pull these off. Allocating resources, finding sites, architectural approvals, permits, persuading city councils, it's just a little more than starting to build a house by digging a foundation.
The Nehor Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Nah, more like a decade or so. Nelson is just in such good health that he may have the body of a 70-year-old. Had to look up your reference to a TV comedy series about the afterlife. Haven't had a chance to check it out. Watch the show. It is brilliantly done. I have not seen a modern TV show do physical comedy the way that show does. 1
The Nehor Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 35 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: I believe Brigham Young stated that the Millenium will start in the homes of the saints as quickly as they live the Gospel. So some of us may already have started it I understand what he was trying to say but until the devils in my head SHUT THE HELL UP (pun intended) and the devil is actually bound it is not a real Millenium. I dislike that kind of thinking in general. It is how we get Christians of some denominations insisting the Second Coming has already happened because Jesus has entered our hearts. Blech! 1
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