LoudmouthMormon Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) So, at the bottom of a random Yahoo news story about our name change: Quote The entry about the church in the Associated Press Stylebook, which many news outlets follow, remains unchanged. Can anyone confirm this? Is the AP Stylebook, which states media orgs should accommodate a transgender person's pronoun preference, thumbing their nose at us? (I'm trying to confirm, but it seems like the AP Stylebook is a pay-to-look thing. Or perhaps my Google-Fu just isn't hot today.) Edited October 8, 2018 by LoudmouthMormon
rockpond Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, LoudmouthMormon said: So, at the bottom of a random Yahoo news story about our name change: Can anyone confirm this? Is the AP Stylebook, which states media orgs should accommodate a transgender person's pronoun preference, thumbing their nose at us? (I'm trying to confirm, but it seems like the AP Stylebook is a pay-to-look thing. Or perhaps my Google-Fu just isn't hot today.) It wouldn't surprise me. There are aspects of our naming request that essentially require media outlets to assert our truth claims for us through the naming convention. I believe church leaders and members will make the change (as we have done in the past) but I don't see it being fully adopted by the media, including the AP style guide. 3
Popular Post The Nehor Posted October 8, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 8, 2018 A downside is we cannot call our critics Anti-Mormons any more. I suggest “hellspawned heretics” as a replacement until we can settle on something more permanent. 12
Avatar4321 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Not surprising. We need to do it among ourselves before we can expect others to do it. nehor, perhaps we should just use the scriptural term, anti christ 3
ksfisher Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 3 hours ago, LoudmouthMormon said: So, at the bottom of a random Yahoo news story about our name change: Can anyone confirm this? Is the AP Stylebook, which states media orgs should accommodate a transgender person's pronoun preference, thumbing their nose at us? (I'm trying to confirm, but it seems like the AP Stylebook is a pay-to-look thing. Or perhaps my Google-Fu just isn't hot today.) How often is the AP style guide updated? And how far up on their priority list do we think the church is?
mfbukowski Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Avatar4321 said: Not surprising. We need to do it among ourselves before we can expect others to do it. nehor, perhaps we should just use the scriptural term, anti christ OOOO I like it! Evangelical anti Christs? That has an interesting and quite provocative sound to it. "Christian" anti-Christs? Maybe just a tad to strong but certainly gets a lot across in VERY few words! Me likey these changes! 1
mfbukowski Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 3 hours ago, rockpond said: It wouldn't surprise me. There are aspects of our naming request that essentially require media outlets to assert our truth claims for us through the naming convention. I believe church leaders and members will make the change (as we have done in the past) but I don't see it being fully adopted by the media, including the AP style guide. Well since Mormons no longer exist they will be talking about that which does not exist. Might as well as be talking about unicorns then.
RevTestament Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, The Nehor said: A downside is we cannot call our critics Anti-Mormons any more. I suggest “hellspawned heretics” as a replacement until we can settle on something more permanent. Too late I just trademarked that for my new football team...thanks for the freebie...The Utah Hellspawned Heretics... has a nice ring to it. Don't ya think? Edited October 9, 2018 by RevTestament
katherine the great Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 3 hours ago, The Nehor said: A downside is we cannot call our critics Anti-Mormons any more. I suggest “hellspawned heretics” as a replacement until we can settle on something more permanent. Ha!
RevTestament Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 51 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: OOOO I like it! Evangelical anti Christs? That has an interesting and quite provocative sound to it. "Christian" anti-Christs? Maybe just a tad to strong but certainly gets a lot across in VERY few words! Me likey these changes! You be dumb Gungan.
RevTestament Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 4 hours ago, LoudmouthMormon said: So, at the bottom of a random Yahoo news story about our name change: Can anyone confirm this? Is the AP Stylebook, which states media orgs should accommodate a transgender person's pronoun preference, thumbing their nose at us? I certainly would not doubt it. The Church might find out just how deep seated the public prejudice is about LDS Christians not being Christian or having anything to do with Jesus Christ.
Popular Post Gray Posted October 8, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 8, 2018 4 hours ago, The Nehor said: A downside is we cannot call our critics Anti-Mormons any more. I suggest “hellspawned heretics” as a replacement until we can settle on something more permanent. Since the church has come out as anti-Mormon, I suggest anti-Mormons simply start calling themselves "Mormons." 6
rockpond Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 2 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Well since Mormons no longer exist they will be talking about that which does not exist. Might as well as be talking about unicorns then. Good luck with that. 3
Gervin Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: We need to do it among ourselves before we can expect others to do it. So, will this discussion and dialogue board's name be changing soon? If not, can we just assume that the people who "own" it are anti-LDS with respect to naming conventions?
rockpond Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Gervin said: So, will this discussion and dialogue board's name be changing soon? If not, can we just assume that the people who "own" it are anti-LDS with respect to naming conventions? Good question. I checked today and all the Church’s websites and social media channels with the Mormon name are still active. Satan is winning. 3
rockpond Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Just four years ago, the Church was helping members print and “pass along” little victories for Satan: https://lds365.com/2014/01/02/personalized-pass-along-cards-from-mormon-org/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LDSWebGuy+(LDS+Media+Talk)
mfbukowski Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, RevTestament said: You be dumb Gungan. Not politically correct. You should not insult Gungans that way. In fact, I find that to be hate speech which carries the death sentence without need for a trial. Of even worse, a never ending Senate investigation for the rest of your life. 😜 Edited October 9, 2018 by mfbukowski 1
mfbukowski Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Gray said: Since the church has come out as anti-Mormon, I suggest anti-Mormons simply start calling themselves "Mormons." Or we could just eliminate the second "m"...... 2
RevTestament Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Not politically correct. You should not insult Gungans that way. In fact, I find that to be hate speech which carries the death sentence without need for a trial. Of even worse, a never ending Senate investigation for the rest of your life. 😜 NOOOOooo! Not an interrogation by senator Palpatine!! Meesa being a good Gungan from now on. Meesa promise! Meesa promise! Edited October 9, 2018 by RevTestament Edited to correct my Gunganese 3
Robert F. Smith Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 12 hours ago, rockpond said: It wouldn't surprise me. There are aspects of our naming request that essentially require media outlets to assert our truth claims for us through the naming convention. I believe church leaders and members will make the change (as we have done in the past) but I don't see it being fully adopted by the media, including the AP style guide. The Mormon Church is not "requiring" non-Mormons to do anything. Non-Mormon media outlets will presumably use reasonable modes of reference, just as they have generally in the past. They have no reason to adopt some style-guide convention written by Mormons, and I do not believe that the Mormon Church expects them to. However, you are correct to think that many Mormons will adopt the new conventions. 1
Robert F. Smith Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 12 hours ago, The Nehor said: A downside is we cannot call our critics Anti-Mormons any more. I suggest “hellspawned heretics” as a replacement until we can settle on something more permanent. We could fall back on the generic term "haters." 1
california boy Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 8 hours ago, RevTestament said: I certainly would not doubt it. The Church might find out just how deep seated the public prejudice is about LDS Christians not being Christian or having anything to do with Jesus Christ. I know the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints loves and cherishes its long tradition of feeling persecuted. But perhaps there is a more simple reason. The Church has not to my knowledge given the AP any kind of style sheet that is actually workable. For example: What word does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints want the AP to use instead of Mormonism? What word does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints use for a follower of Mormonism? If there is an article on the Tabernacle Choir at Temple Square, how many nonmember readers would know what the heck the article was even about? What link should the AP use if they want to direct their readers to any of the Church web sites? There is a myriad of these types of issues that need to be worked out. So far, the Church has done IMO, a horrible job of figuring things out. The new choir name completely wipes out all recognition of an institution that has been around for over 100 years. Not only that but if the value of the Choir was to be ambassadors for the Church then that is completely gone. Now they are ambassadors for Temple Square, wherever that is. Until the Church works out how things should be handled, the AP should continue the style sheet that has been in place. It is not the job of the AP to figure that out for the Church. What I also don't get, is if the Church is under condemnation for not using the name that God gave the Church then why is any variation on that name acceptable to God? God didn't tell Joseph Smith the name of the church is the Latter-day Saints church, nor the LDS church nor the Church of Jesus Christ. Isn't the church just swapping out one nickname for another? If God wants His Church to use the name He gave it, then don't you lose the moral argument if you start offering alternatives to that official name? This whole thing is a huge mess. Anyone who thinks it is workable needs to explain to the AP just how this is all going to work before they go off half-cocked guessing at how the church wants things done. Persecution? Conspiracy by Satan? Maybe a little self-reflection is in order.
Avatar4321 Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 13 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Well since Mormons no longer exist they will be talking about that which does not exist. Might as well as be talking about unicorns then. But unicorns do exist. We just don't call them by that name anymore. so are we ex-Mormons for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
rockpond Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: The Mormon Church is not "requiring" non-Mormons to do anything. Non-Mormon media outlets will presumably use reasonable modes of reference, just as they have generally in the past. They have no reason to adopt some style-guide convention written by Mormons, and I do not believe that the Mormon Church expects them to. However, you are correct to think that many Mormons will adopt the new conventions. Didn’t President Nelson, in his address this weekend, say that “responsible” media outlets cease to use the nickname? The style guide suggest using “the restored gospel of Jesus Christ” in place of Mormonism. That is asking media outlets to assert a truth claim for us. And now we have our President saying that if it irresponsible to do otherwise?
california boy Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 32 minutes ago, rockpond said: Didn’t President Nelson, in his address this weekend, say that “responsible” media outlets cease to use the nickname? The style guide suggest using “the restored gospel of Jesus Christ” in place of Mormonism. That is asking media outlets to assert a truth claim for us. And now we have our President saying that if it irresponsible to do otherwise? Yet, once again, isn't God going to be displeased if the church starts using "the restored gospel of Jesus Christ" in place of the name of the church? I don't think that is what God asked for. I see little resemblance to what Presiden Nelson is claiming as inspiration to call the church by the name God gave in ANY of these iterations. It seems like a farce and disingenuous. More like an arbitrary hair up someone's a** that has been going on for a decade. Now he has finally been given the power.
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