Former Bishop Hunger Strike for Youth Interview Policy Change

[katherine the great]

1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said:

My son Abogadissimo simply asks the youth if they are living the standards in For the Strength of a Youth.

Your son has a very interesting name.

[ALarson]

20 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

I never did either, but I think the option for a child to essentially turn in their parents is not negotiable. Who else can they talk to?

Any adult who they trust (ie. a teacher, etc.).

And I agree with others here..... that it's different when a child or youth seeks out someone to confide in vs. it being a mandatory interview alone with an adult.

Edited July 30, 2018 by ALarson

[katherine the great]

Is this man still a member of the church? I've never really understood hunger strikes and usually thought of them as a very extreme form of protest. I can kind of see how they can help raise awareness if the individual gets enough attention. I guess I'm just not the revolutionary type.

[provoman]

28 minutes ago, katherine the great said:

Is this man still a member of the church? I've never really understood hunger strikes and usually thought of them as a very extreme form of protest. I can kind of see how they can help raise awareness if the individual gets enough attention. I guess I'm just not the revolutionary type.

yes he is currently. However in 01/2018 his SP called him an apostate. And before Sam Young came to SLC his SP had a urgent message that came by revelation to the SP....according to Sam Young the SP said "Walk away, walk away".

edited - corrected SP story

Edited July 30, 2018 by provoman

[Calm]

8 hours ago, hope_for_things said:

What about 911.  I think most kids know how to call it.  

You think kids are going to tell someone over the phone they have been abused given the low rates of children reporting g at all?  Then there is the problem if parents are the abusers or enablers that the first thing the police, maybe even the dispatcher, will do is track down the parents to be with there with the kid?

Edited July 31, 2018 by Calm

[JulieM]

3 minutes ago, provoman said:

 And before Sam Young came to SLC his SP warned him not to go to SLC and that warning came by revelation to the SP....according to Sam Young the SP said "Walk away, walk away".

 

How do you know it “came by revelation”?  Is that what Sam Young was told?

[provoman]

5 minutes ago, JulieM said:

How do you know it “came by revelation”?  Is that what Sam Young was told?

that is what Sam reported tbe SP as saying

"One week ago today, I met with my stake president.  He had received personal revelation that it was urgent to give me a message.  Referring to Protect the Children, he said, “Walk away, Sam, walk away.”"

[JulieM]

1 minute ago, provoman said:

that is what Sam reported tbe SP as saying

"One week ago today, I met with my stake president.  He had received personal revelation that it was urgent to give me a message.  Referring to Protect the Children, he said, “Walk away, Sam, walk away.”"

Ok.  Thanks.

What if Sam received personal revelation to NOT walk away?

[Bernard Gui]

1 hour ago, katherine the great said:

Your son has a very interesting name.

Well, you know all the Gui names here are made up because I don't post under my real name. Abogado is Spanish for lawyer. My son Abogadissimo is a lawyer, and a good one, too, hence the superlative ------issimo. Like my daughter Bellalindissima....I think you can figure that one out.

Edited July 30, 2018 by Bernard Gui

[Jeanne]

2 hours ago, rpn said:

I certainly wouldn't be advising PR to have an apostle show up and sit in the chair. 

Best PR ever in doing the and/or the right thing. It won't happen...not enough guts to do what is the right thing.

Edited July 30, 2018 by Jeanne

[Bernard Gui]

15 minutes ago, JulieM said:

Ok.  Thanks.

What if Sam received personal revelation to NOT walk away?

Like I said at the start, this won't turn out well.

[JulieM]

Just now, Bernard Gui said:

Like I said at the start, this won't turn out well.

For whom?

What if the stake president was simply speaking as a man? 

[Bernard Gui]

10 minutes ago, JulieM said:

For whom?

What if the stake president was simply speaking as a man? 

How would you know that?

[ALarson]

35 minutes ago, JulieM said:

For whom?

What if the stake president was simply speaking as a man? 

I know that you're partly joking, but this is probably a decision that Sam Young had to make and pray over.  For me, I go with my own personal revelation if it involves my own family, but it gets complicated when others are involved.  I think it comes down to a matter of taking things public and possibly doing damage to the church (which is relevant regarding Bill Reel's situation now too).  I don't believe in or agree with everything done or stated by our leaders, but I don't go out and speak about it publicly or try to do damage to the church.

But then, I agree with this issue going public as I believe it's helped cause some needed changes.

That's an interesting thought and possible discussion though....

Edited July 30, 2018 by ALarson

[Exiled]

15 minutes ago, ALarson said:

I know that you're partly joking, but this is probably a decision that Sam Young had to make and pray over.  For me, I go with my own personal revelation if it involves my own family, but it gets complicated when others are involved.  I think it comes down to a matter of taking things public and possibly doing damage to the church (which is relevant regarding Bill Reel's situation now too).  I don't believe in or agree with everything done or stated by our leaders, but I don't go out and speak about it publicly or try to do damage to the church.

But then, I agree with this issue going public as I believe it's helped cause some needed changes.

That's an interesting thought and possible discussion though....

Don't the brethren believe that an answer to a prayer is automatically wrong if it goes against the brethren? So, if Mr. Young's leader says to walk away, Mr. Young is supposed to do it. However, the leader and brethren are fallible, yet Mr. Young is supposed to follow the leader as if the leader isn't fallible, even when he believes what he is doing is correct.

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, HappyJackWagon said:

You discovered the hidden truth- we all want children to be abused by their parents, unchecked.

Or more likely, I think most reasonable people just realize it's a false dichotomy: Let bishops meet one-on-one with youth to discuss sxual issues or allow parents to abuse their kids. Come on, man.  That's weak sauce.

Bishop's interviews are not intended to route out parental abuse. It's not even one of multiple purposes to the interviews. Youth have access to other adults and as I've stated earlier, there's a bit of a difference between a youth requesting a meeting with an adult than with an adult requesting a one-on-one meeting with a youth, to which the youth feels obligated to participate.

Disagree. So prohibit a youth from talking to the bishop if he wants to?

If it's a policy you have to define it more clearly than you have.

You are not defining something that allows for that option.

The church policy does, as presently constituted.

Edited July 30, 2018 by mfbukowski

[The Nehor]

Well, if he keeps it up long enough and kills himself he can further undermine the Church by serving as a point of evidence in favor of Darwinism being a thing.

[hope_for_things]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

You think kids are going to tell someone over the phone they have been abused given the low rates of children reporting g at all?  Orthat the first thing the police, maybe even the dispatcher will do is track down the parents to be with there with the kid?

I have no idea.  Do you have any data to suggest that kids are more likely to disclose abuse to an ecclesiastical interview than over the phone via a 911 call to police?  

[Prof]

Maybe it's just me, but I think it would have been better if he had brought his concerns up while he was a bishop. Doing so now, after the fact, after his involvement in the role of bishop, doesn't come a cross as well.

[hope_for_things]

2 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

2 hours ago, JulieM said:

Ok.  Thanks.

What if Sam received personal revelation to NOT walk away?

Like I said at the start, this won't turn out well.

Its definitely not turned out well for the kids so far.  Some people wonder if there isn't a Spotlight 2 scandal waiting to happen for the LDS church.  I have no idea, but in an world that is increasingly sensitive to sexual abuse, and in the middle of MeToo movement in our culture, its clear to me that the church hasn't done enough on this important issue.  

[The Nehor]

4 minutes ago, hope_for_things said:

I have no idea.  Do you have any data to suggest that kids are more likely to disclose abuse to an ecclesiastical interview than over the phone via a 911 call to police?  

I have anecdotes supporting that conclusion.

[The Nehor]

1 minute ago, hope_for_things said:

Its definitely not turned out well for the kids so far.  Some people wonder if there isn't a Spotlight 2 scandal waiting to happen for the LDS church.  I have no idea, but in an world that is increasingly sensitive to sexual abuse, and in the middle of MeToo movement in our culture, its clear to me that the church hasn't done enough on this important issue.  

So you would support my plan to have all children who have not reached the age of majority locked (with parents having the key) in giant transparent hamster balls when outside their house to prevent abuse? Until this has been done there is much more to do.

[Prof]

5 hours ago, Tacenda said:

 

I heard Sam mention in one of his FB videos, that early in the church there were no meetings for you to tell the bishop your sins. I wonder if that is true and when did we start these interviews or have members meet with the bishop? It sounds more like the Catholic church. It would be interesting to see when the church started the interviews. Or the requirement to meet with a bishop about serious sins. 

I wish that I could hit the like button for this comment.

To me, this is a pretty important question. In my decades in the Church, I have never heard any explanation about how this process (interviews and meeting with the bishop for forgiveness) came about.

Edited July 30, 2018 by Prof

[hope_for_things]

14 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

So you would support my plan to have all children who have not reached the age of majority locked (with parents having the key) in giant transparent hamster balls when outside their house to prevent abuse? Until this has been done there is much more to do.

You have a vivid imagination.   Perhaps you should start a GoFundMe campaign?  

[The Nehor]

11 minutes ago, hope_for_things said:

You have a vivid imagination.   Perhaps you should start a GoFundMe campaign?  

I just like this plan because I want a giant hamster ball.

Edited July 30, 2018 by The Nehor