bsjkki Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: Be that as it may, there has already been one case in which a then-sworn law enforcement officer (while he was not an officer for BYU PD) turned law enforcement information over to the BYU Honor Code office. Saying it shouldn't happen, that it rarely happens, or that there are safeguards in place which are supposed to prevent it from happening is not the same thing as saying that it doesn't happen. People get this story confused. It was originally reported that a non-BYU law enforcement officer turned records from the Provo police department over to the honor code office. This is true. He did turn over records and resigned. What is also true is a BYU police officer leutenant did a records search on behalf of the honor code office. The Salt Lake Tribune wants to find out how many times the BYU police department searched the police database and why. Their statistics seem to show that BYU did search the police database looking for information on students on behalf of the honor code office. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/05/14/should-brigham-young-universitys-police-department-be-subject-to-utahs-open-records-law-a-judge-will-soon-decide/ "BYU police released some records, but refused to release records of communication between the department and the Mormon school’s Honor Code and Title IX offices. The university police have said they do not conduct investigations for the Honor Code Office. However, The Tribune has obtained internal BYU documents that show a BYU police lieutenant used his access to Provo police records, via a countywide law enforcement database, for an Honor Code investigation into the conduct of a student who had reported a sexual assault to Provo police. 2
Tacenda Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 2 hours ago, rongo said: This just hit the wires. He's the one with the Mormon name . . . http://www.inmaricopa.com/senior-spotlights-some-of-maricopas-top-graduates/ The one going to West Point is also LDS (she chose that over the Naval Academy). And Britney Montgomery has an *amazing* voice. She may actually make it to Broadway! The salutatorian and my son are good friends, and I think he may pass him on points in June, once final grades post (he took 9 AP classes to my son's 7 --- but he is welcome to AP Chemistry and AP Calculus!). Wow, that is so cool. I read through them all and figured it had to be him when I actually saw two Mormon names in his name. I read what he wrote, and I'm really impressed that he is earning money for a mission, I think that's pretty rare, or maybe I'm wrong about that. But you and you're wife did a fantastic job at raising a son that works towards his goals like that!
rongo Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 Just now, Tacenda said: Wow, that is so cool. I read through them all and figured it had to be him when I actually saw two Mormon names in his name. I read what he wrote, and I'm really impressed that he is earning money for a mission, I think that's pretty rare, or maybe I'm wrong about that. But you and you're wife did a fantastic job at raising a son that works towards his goals like that! Thank you! People have been kind of awkward about the fact that they are paying for their children's missions. They, at first, are a little awkward about the fact that he's not leaving right after graduation (everyone else is). When we tell them that he needs to earn the money first, they get this look. When we ask them if their children have everything saved up, they say, "Oh, we're paying for it." It definitely seems to be an outlier. We simply can't afford to pay the $400 a month to send him, so he's going to have to save the rest of it. I think it's better when they pay their own way, anyway!
phaedrus ut Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 I'm perfectly fine with BYU having a private police force rather than campus security guards. This includes all police authority including deadly force. There is a strong public interest in transparency for those using police powers. Could you imagine a situation where a police officer with a private institution uses deadly force but they deny access to body camera footage? I know Notre Dame has been dealing with the same issue in Indiana for years. Ultimately I would like to see one of these cases make it to the Supreme Court. IMO, you can't have it both ways and hopefully the court rules that way. Phaedrus 1
Kenngo1969 Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 5 hours ago, bsjkki said: People get this story confused. It was originally reported that a non-BYU law enforcement officer turned records from the Provo police department over to the honor code office. This is true. Which is, I believe, what I said. Begging your pardon, Ma'am, but with all due respect, what, exactly, do I have confused?
bsjkki Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Kenngo1969 said: Which is, I believe, what I said. Begging your pardon, Ma'am, but with all due respect, what, exactly, do I have confused? The 2nd half of the story is what prompted the Sl Tribune lawsuit. The honor code office asked the BYU police to do a records search, which was done on their behalf and the records were given to the honor code office. There were two differenct officers involved. Maybe you knew that but most people remember Officer Randolf as the one who walked the police papers to the BYU honor code office. I was just trying to clarify for everyone. The fact the BYU honor code office can access the police database through the BYU police force should be troubling for most people. But, like I said in an earlier post, I think they have ceased doing this since they are under a state investigation. 1
strappinglad Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 Can I , as a private individual wishing to get a police background check on an employee, get info from the police who will use police data bases to provide such info ?
Kenngo1969 Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, strappinglad said: Can I , as a private individual wishing to get a police background check on an employee, get info from the police who will use police data bases to provide such info ? https://bci.utah.gov/obtaining-utah-criminal-history-records-of-your-employees/ I took a vow of silence! 2
strappinglad Posted May 17, 2018 Posted May 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: I took a vow of silence As much as I like S & G , this is now my favorite rendition of the " Sounds of Silence " 3
Calm Posted May 17, 2018 Author Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) I think this is great, have it on my iPad. He has the perfect voice for it. My son introduced it to me a few months ago. Wouldn't have found it otherwise, I am thinking. Edited May 17, 2018 by Calm
Kenngo1969 Posted May 17, 2018 Posted May 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, strappinglad said: As much as I like S & G , this is now my favorite rendition of the " Sounds of Silence " Dude's got range! He sounds like he's been classically trained. He ranges from low to high and from clear to gutteral. Very, very few people can do all of that in the same song!
Okrahomer Posted May 17, 2018 Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, strappinglad said: As much as I like S & G , this is now my favorite rendition of the " Sounds of Silence " Wow!
Okrahomer Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 If his has already been posted—apologies. The judge in the SLTrib v BYUPD gramma case has deferred her decision for up to 60 days. From the article: “No decision was reached, but Judge Laura Scott said she would “take it under consideration” and have an official judgment within the next 60 days.” Also this relevant fact: ”In a high-profile case involving Notre Dame, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled that the Roman Catholic university police were not subject to that state’s records laws because they were not officially part of government. An Indiana legislative bill that would have restricted access to private institution records was vetoed by the then-Gov. Mike Pence, now President Trump’s vice president.” 1
smac97 Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 BYU lost the case. The judge has ruled that "when BYUPD is acting as a law enforcement agency and/or its officers are acting as law enforcement officers, it is a governmental entity subject to GRAMA." A more detailed ruling will be issued "in a few days." See here. Thanks, -Smac 3
USU78 Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 1 hour ago, smac97 said: BYU lost the case. The judge has ruled that "when BYUPD is acting as a law enforcement agency and/or its officers are acting as law enforcement officers, it is a governmental entity subject to GRAMA." A more detailed ruling will be issued "in a few days." See here. Thanks, -Smac Appeals certainly coming. Judge picked appellant.
smac97 Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, USU78 said: Appeals certainly coming. Judge picked appellant. "Judge picked appellant?" Could you clarify what you mean? I agree an appeal is coming. Thanks, -Smac
USU78 Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 59 minutes ago, smac97 said: "Judge picked appellant?" Could you clarify what you mean? I agree an appeal is coming. Thanks, -Smac Trial judges, especially when there is the possibility of shaking up the real world universe through the ruling being sought, will cast the appeal, knowing it is coming, by choosing which party will be the appellant and which the respondent. It takes a lot of pressure off getting the ruling right if you simply move chess pieces around the board instead. I suspect that's the case here.
jkwilliams Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, USU78 said: Trial judges, especially when there is the possibility of shaking up the real world universe through the ruling being sought, will cast the appeal, knowing it is coming, by choosing which party will be the appellant and which the respondent. It takes a lot of pressure off getting the ruling right if you simply move chess pieces around the board instead. I suspect that's the case here. My understanding is that the appeal was of the original records commission ruling, which had already been reversed ahead of the judge’s ruling.
Exiled Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 On 5/15/2018 at 8:15 AM, mfbukowski said: Clearly the cops are trying to hide the human sacrifices going on on campus. No, no, no, ... only under the slc temple
USU78 Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Exiled said: No, no, no, ... only under the slc temple True enough, though we know that the sacrifices were done in all three of the other Utah Territory temples prior to OD1. Moving the Supreme Bloodletting Altar in BY's secret War Wagon from St George, to Logan, thence to Manti, and back again, kept the Feds off guard, and all of the Council of 50 Assassin/Sacrificers safe from detection.
mfbukowski Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, USU78 said: True enough, though we know that the sacrifices were done in all three of the other Utah Territory temples prior to OD1. Moving the Supreme Bloodletting Altar in BY's secret War Wagon from St George, to Logan, thence to Manti, and back again, kept the Feds off guard, and all of the Council of 50 Assassin/Sacrificers safe from detection. Dangit dude! Whatsamattawitchu? Don't you know the whole world can see this? Dannites!! Get this guy!! It says alot about this board that I actually felt I needed to add the wink.... 1
jkwilliams Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 28 minutes ago, Exiled said: No, no, no, ... only under the slc temple No, that’s where the reptilian shape shifters live.
Exiled Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 38 minutes ago, jkwilliams said: No, that’s where the reptilian shape shifters live. That's right. I forgot about that lore. Back in 2006 or so I had a good time explaining to my assistants about shape-shifting reptiles in slc.
FearlessFixxer Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) The BYU police department is certified by the State of Utah. They have ability to arrest people, access criminal records, participate in the pursuit of criminal charges, use deadly force, etc. How in their right minds can they claim they should not be subject to GRAMA laws? It just defies logic that they would try and claim they are not subject to public accountability the way other PDs are. How is this not a case of them wanting to eat their cake and have it too??? https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/07/17/byu-will-appeal-judges/ Edited July 18, 2018 by FearlessFixxer 2
jkwilliams Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 In 2014 they claimed immunity from lawsuits because they are a government agency. https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=8532505579250107342&q="2014+Utah+27"&hl=en&as_sdt=6,45 4
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