Rain Posted January 7, 2018 Posted January 7, 2018 4 hours ago, JLHPROF said: My issue with it is that it runs contrary to established priesthood principles. The body doesn't choose the head. Callings are top down. That's a universal priesthood practice, all the way from Deacons to the Godhead. Quorums sustain their president but that president is called by a higher office than the quorum members. The twelve don't vote for the next President of the Church. God chooses (and has established the seniority rule unless the current President names a different successor). All the 12 have to do is sustain. Apostles have tried to bypass the President/Prophet before unsuccessfully and wound up excommunicated. I wasn't talking about how it should be or not. Just responding to the idea Scott mentioned that it was taught as a tradition. I was sharing how my experience differed from his. 1
The Nehor Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Stargazer said: It's not the longest serving Apostle, if I take your meaning correctly. Orson Hyde apostatized briefly, but was readmitted to the Quorum. Originally he was 5th in seniority and would have been President of the Quorum of the Twelve when Brigham Young died, but Pres. Young ruled that the interruption in service placed him further back in seniority, with his readmission date as his seniority date, not the date he was originally called. So John Taylor was the 3rd President of the Church instead of Orson Hyde. Yes, I should have said longest continuous service as an apostle.
Stargazer Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Yes, I should have said longest continuous service as an apostle. And I tend to be an unbearable pedant. You were clear enough, really. I should have just let it be.
The Nehor Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Stargazer said: And I tend to be an unbearable pedant. You were clear enough, really. I should have just let it be. Perhaps but: 1
pogi Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 Wasn’t Oaks called as an apostle at the same conference that President Nelson was? How did they determine who was the senior apostle? Did he just happen to be set apart first that day?
Duncan Posted January 8, 2018 Author Posted January 8, 2018 54 minutes ago, pogi said: Wasn’t Oaks called as an apostle at the same conference that President Nelson was? How did they determine who was the senior apostle? Did he just happen to be set apart first that day? yep, same thing as Presidents Kimball and Benson. not sure how they determined who goes first but what a difference it made though!
Calm Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 57 minutes ago, Duncan said: yep, same thing as Presidents Kimball and Benson. not sure how they determined who goes first but what a difference it made though! Probably the oldest goes first. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 9 hours ago, pogi said: Wasn’t Oaks called as an apostle at the same conference that President Nelson was? How did they determine who was the senior apostle? Did he just happen to be set apart first that day? 8 hours ago, Duncan said: yep, same thing as Presidents Kimball and Benson. not sure how they determined who goes first but what a difference it made though! 7 hours ago, Calm said: Probably the oldest goes first. Don’t know if it as a factor, but Elder Oaks had to take a period to finish up some commitments as Utah Supreme Court Justice before h e could assume the duties of his office.
Bobbieaware Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Don’t know if it as a factor, but Elder Oaks had to take a period to finish up some commitments as Utah Supreme Court Justice before h e could assume the duties of his office. It appears that the older of the two is usually, but not always, announced and ordained first. Edited January 8, 2018 by Bobbieaware
FormerLDS Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 On 1/3/2018 at 12:51 AM, Duncan said: https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/president-thomas-monson-passes-away well, that is sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So sorry to hear about the passing of President Monson; he was always a personal favorite - a very eloquent and soulful speaker. Condolences ... 4
pogi Posted January 8, 2018 Posted January 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, FormerLDS said: So sorry to hear about the passing of President Monson; he was always a personal favorite - a very eloquent and soulful speaker. Condolences ... Thank you! That is gracious. It shows a Christian heart to mourn with those that mourn.
Kelvin Posted January 10, 2018 Posted January 10, 2018 My own thoughts on his passing... https://beyebelieving.blogspot.com/2018/01/a-tribute-to-president-thomas-s-monson.html
CMZ Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 2:52 AM, The Nehor said: Actually that exact definition dates back to President Snow I believe. Before that it was the longest serving Apostle and they clarified it as an Apostle outside the Quorum had a good chance of being senior. I know of no revelation commanding the current practice. For any change I would expect the whole Quorum would have to agree but it could be done. Yes, part of it is length of time as an apostle, period. That is indeed one factor. But another factor is that the Quorum of the Twelve is equal in power and authority to the First Presidency. So.... when there is no First Presidency the Quorum of the Twelve is automatically the leading body in the Church. And that quorum's leader is whoever had been in that quorum the longest.
Teancum Posted January 13, 2018 Posted January 13, 2018 On 1/3/2018 at 2:07 AM, Calm said: He has earned his rest. I don't often cry when older people die. They seem so ready to go I can only rejoice with them. I suppose I am crying now though for what his support and love did for all of us. Always loved the man.
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