longview Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 47 minutes ago, The Nehor said: So I will reject your CFR on the basis that you yourself suggest it is pointless to reply. Enjoy your ignorance. Again you are attacking the messenger and NOT debating the message. http://www.yuccamountainexpose.com/ Over fifty million dollars have been spent on the Nevada Nuclear Waste Project Office, the State of Nevada's nuclear waste oversight agency. Rather than going to support intelligent oversight of the proposed Yucca Mountain repository, most of the money has been spent on political cronies, and some of the most slip-shod oversight science ever conducted. Million dollar sweetheart contracts, out-of-state consultants with radical agendas and junk-science, have all combined to derail proper oversight. http://www.yuccamountainexpose.com/Y21.htm Nearly three quarters of respondents (73.0%) place their trust in scientists as opposed to less than two percent (1.8%) who place their trust in politicians about the technical study of Yucca Mountain. As in other polls, Nevadans support scientists and appear willing to let them undertake the study without political intervention. undertake the study without political intervention. Nevadans are in firm support (80.6%) of a stronger role by the scientists of the state university and college system in the scientific oversight and analysis of the study period. In combination with the high trust in scientists we are led to conclude that Nevadans have confidence in the state university system, and believe it should have a vested interest in the study period at Yucca Mountain. Nearly ninety percent (87.2%) believe the evaluation of Yucca Mountain could be done better if state scientists were actually on the Yucca Mountain site versus only conducting off-site analysis. The confidence in the role of the state as an oversight actor would be enhanced through on-site opposed to off-site eva;luation. Over ninety percent (94.6%) believe the state should provide an itemized list of how the money it receives for the oversight of the Yucca Mountain study is spent. Among the most important issues facing Nevada today, six out of sixty-three are ranked above all others. These are Water, the Economy, Jobs, Education, Population Growth, and Crime. Well over fifty percent of the respondents (57.2%) do not rank YuccaMountain as one of the two most important issues facing the state. One quarter (22.8%) feel Yucca Mountain ranks as one of the most important issues in the state. Based on support levels for benefits a significant number of these respondents see the issue as an important avenue for securing benefits for Nevada. Approximately one-fifth (19.7%) did not choose to respond or did not know how they would rank Yucca Mountain in relationship to other issues facing the state. Over two-thirds (67.3%) feel nuclear energy and technology should be an important part of the nation's energy future. No stigma about nuclear energy and technology is apparent among the respondents. https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/independent-poll-yucca-stadium-taxes-unpopular-voters Voters were given the following information about the facility, including rotated statements of support and opposition to the facility “As you may know, there has been renewed discussion about government plans to store nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain in the Nevada desert. I am going to read you what some people are saying about this, and then ask whether you favor or oppose putting a nuclear storage facility at Yucca Mountain. Supporters say that the Yucca Mountain program can help develop Nevada’s economy and create thousands of new jobs. Opponents say that transporting and storing nuclear waste is dangerous, and Nevada shouldn’t be our country’s nuclear waste dumping ground.” After hearing supporting and opposing arguments, 58 percent of voters said they opposed opening the facility including 51 percent “strongly” opposed. opening the facility, compared to 23 percent “strongly” in favor of opening it. Only a third of poll respondents favor storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain, with 23% strongly favoring the plan.” Female voters were more likely to oppose the site (23 to 68 percent) than men (44 to 48 percent). Voters regardless of party identification opposed the site, but those who identified as Republican had a slightly more positive view (44 to 50 percent) than Democrats (23 to 68 percent.) Mellman Group CEO Mark Mellman said in an email that Republican support could be explained by the economic argument for opening the site. “It is possible that the economic development argument does blunt opposition to some extent among Republicans,” he said. Nevada political leaders largely oppose efforts to revisit Yucca — Republican Sen. Dean Heller and Democratic Rep. Dina Titus have introduced identical legislation designed to make it more difficult for the site to open without explicit approval from the state. The poll of 600 likely voters was conducted with live interviewers between Jan. 12 and 15, and has a margin of error of 4 percent, with a 95 percent level of confidence. The Nevada Independent will release more poll results throughout the week, including details on how Nevada voters feel about the pending repeal of the Affordable Care Act. Full poll results and crosstabs will be published on Sunday. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/9/yucca-mountain-nuclear-dump-gets-another-look/ Polls have consistently shown that most Nevadans disapprove of the project, although a PMI survey released earlier this month indicates public opinion may be shifting. The auto-dial poll found that 55 percent were “open to discussions,” while 45 percent said Nevada should remain opposed. A Las Vegas Review-Journal online poll, which is not scientific, asked readers, “Should Nevada should negotiate with Washington to open Yucca Mountain?” Nearly two-thirds agreed that, “Yes, the money’s worth it,” while 32 percent said, “No, never.” http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/29/trump-administration-is-right-open-the-y In 2002, the final environmental impact statement concluded that nuclear waste could be safely stored there for at least 10,000 years. The final supplemental environmental impact statement in 2008 came to the same conclusion.
Calm Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Please take this to another thread, unless there is no more news coming from Texas.
The Nehor Posted September 5, 2017 Author Posted September 5, 2017 Yeah sorry. I am switching over to a better way to win an argument: In Houston news the Ad****s reservoir continues to slowly fall. A lot of crestfallen people realizing they have no flood insurance and no recourse. There are growing concerns about Florida and Irma. It is already a Cat 4 and will be hitting the Caribbean islands soon. Puerto Rico is battening down the hatches too. Worst case the US alone has three disaster sites going at once (Houston, part of Florida, and Puerto Rico).
Tacenda Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/liquid-assets/ This presentation seeks to quantify the financial impact of climate change on the LDS Church. The LDS Church owns over a billion dollars in real estate in Florida, and continues to buy land and build multi-million dollar buildings there. How much of that is likely to be under water within a few decades due to climate change? This is just the beginning of financial and moral problems that the Church faces from environmental challenges that have so far remained unaddressed. I happen to run across this last night and listened to help me fall asleep, but it didn't help because the subject matter was so scary it kept me awake. This symposium was in 2016 and it basically foretold what is happening right now with the flooding around the world, and the climate problems. They talk about what could happen to all of the LDS temples and the land the church bought in Florida, and how the ice melting could cause several feet of ocean to eat up all of the coastal towns, and how some don't have high ground to go to. After witnessing the flooding in Houston, I wonder if the church will finally be more outspoken and concerned with our climate. And our world needs to be worried. Very informative Sunstone presentation. Michael Quinn expresses that he supports the church having for-profit entities just to keep up with the costs within the church. Maybe this needs another thread, about climate control.
The Nehor Posted September 5, 2017 Author Posted September 5, 2017 Irma became category 5. If you are in Florida get ready.
jkwilliams Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) Just got back from a very quick trip to Houston. I left early Saturday morning, stopped for the night in Mississippi, and arrived Sunday afternoon. I flew home last night. The devastation is really sobering, but the response of the people has been inspiring. Monday morning, there were 8 people from their ward working in the house when we got there. A while later, a couple from the local Catholic diocese came by to ask if we needed manpower or supplies, and then 15 minutes later, a woman from another church came to ask the same question. Their cul-de-sac was crowded with vehicles and people who were helping. We gave them our second car because theirs was a total loss, and they netted $400 from the insurance. They are doing well and staying with ward members. My daughter and granddaughter will be coming here Thursday. Once my daughter is off crutches and on a walking boot, she will be able to go back to Houston, but it may be more than a month before they can get back into their home. Thank you all for the support and prayers. It means so much to me and my family. I took this photo yesterday outside their house. Edited September 5, 2017 by jkwilliams 1
The Nehor Posted September 5, 2017 Author Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, jkwilliams said: Just got back from a very quick trip to Houston. I left early Saturday morning, stopped for the night in Mississippi, and arrived Sunday afternoon. I flew home last night. The devastation is really sobering, but the response of the people has been inspiring. Monday morning, there were 8 people from their ward working in the house when we got there. A while later, a couple from the local Catholic diocese came by to ask if we needed manpower or supplies, and then 15 minutes later, a woman from another church came to ask the same question. Their cul-de-sac was crowded with vehicles and people who were helping. We gave them our second car because theirs was a total loss, and they netted $400 from the insurance. They are doing well and staying with ward members. My daughter and granddaughter will be coming here Thursday. Once my daughter is off crutches and on a walking boot, she will be able to go back to Houston, but it may be more than a month before they can get back into their home. Thank you all for the support and prayers. It means so much to me and my family. I took this photo yesterday outside their house. Quit spoiling the doom and gloom atmosphere. 1
The Nehor Posted September 6, 2017 Author Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Irma is breaking records in the Atlantic. Florida keys are being evacuated. It is being called a worst case scenario. Edited September 6, 2017 by The Nehor
Guest Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 On August 25, 2017 at 0:46 PM, The Nehor said: Okay, who is it down in South Texas winning so bad that God is about to cleanse the whole area? I am not mad. I just want to know. Seriously, if anyone is in the area stay safe and if you are supposed to be evacuating please evacuate. The forecasts just keep getting worse. We, they, dont know yet, listen to radio. You can purchase a radio that winds up, and the charge will work for 8-12 hours. But if it dies, you just crank it again. If you are in the East, start now, buy water, can foods, milk bread, and so on. No one thinks that such storms can us\them, as many boast, it pulls at the heart. I wish that all members and non-members could come pretend to love anyone but you, I think this will gain comfort.
The Nehor Posted September 6, 2017 Author Posted September 6, 2017 My uncle is on one of the small islands making up the Florida keys and has said he is not leaving. This is normal for him. He has ignored evacuations before due to wildfires. Now Irma is personal and more real.
jkwilliams Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, The Nehor said: My uncle is on one of the small islands making up the Florida keys and has said he is not leaving. This is normal for him. He has ignored evacuations before due to wildfires. Now Irma is personal and more real. I am now a believer in taking the evacuation orders seriously. I hope your uncle stays safe.
JLHPROF Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 19 hours ago, The Nehor said: Irma is breaking records in the Atlantic. Florida keys are being evacuated. It is being called a worst case scenario. Apparently we are praying for the whole earth now. Maybe there is more going on than we are willing to admit.
The Nehor Posted September 7, 2017 Author Posted September 7, 2017 1 hour ago, JLHPROF said: Apparently we are praying for the whole earth now. Maybe there is more going on than we are willing to admit. If it is the end of days can we hurry it up a little? It looks like Christ delayeth his coming until the end of the earth. 26 And in that day shall be heard of wars and rumors of wars, and the whole earth shall be in commotion, and men’s hearts shall fail them, and they shall say that Christ delayeth his coming until the end of the earth. There, I just fulfilled a prophecy to speed things up. Someone build a temple in Jerusalem please. 1
The Nehor Posted September 7, 2017 Author Posted September 7, 2017 2 hours ago, jkwilliams said: I am now a believer in taking the evacuation orders seriously. I hope your uncle stays safe. He is a tough old guy and can survive almost anything but sometimes fails to realize when caution is warranted.
bsjkki Posted September 7, 2017 Posted September 7, 2017 Church statement in Harvey. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865688246/LDS-Church-cautioning-members-missionaries-as-Hurricane-Irma-hits-Caribbean.html 1
jkwilliams Posted September 7, 2017 Posted September 7, 2017 My daughter and granddaughter arrived safely at our home in Virginia, so at least I don't have to worry about them and how they'll take care of themselves. Again, thanks for all the kind words, prayers, and support. 1
The Nehor Posted September 8, 2017 Author Posted September 8, 2017 Irma should hit Florida on Sunday and Jose is on its way as well and was just upgraded to category 4. This is the first time on record we have had two simultaneous storms with this high of a wind speed. Hurricane Katie is also still a threat and is likely to hit Mexico soon.
Tacenda Posted September 8, 2017 Posted September 8, 2017 Is Haarp responsible? http://www.gi.alaska.edu/haarp
Calm Posted September 8, 2017 Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: Is Haarp responsible? http://www.gi.alaska.edu/haarp You are not serious, are you?
Tacenda Posted September 8, 2017 Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Calm said: You are not serious, are you? https://geopolitics.co/2015/06/06/us-air-force-admits-they-can-control-weather/ I'm not sure, it seems the government is doing things all the time behind our backs. If we can build nuclear weapons, we can't control the weather? ETA: There is this too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye Edited September 8, 2017 by Tacenda
Calm Posted September 8, 2017 Posted September 8, 2017 You need to take some of your skepticism over the Church and apply it to these kinds of conspiracy theories. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/08/16/weather-conspiracy-theories-scientifically-unjustifiable/?utm_term=.dbb97b18d32e
Tacenda Posted September 8, 2017 Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Calm said: You need to take some of your skepticism over the Church and apply it to these kinds of conspiracy theories. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/08/16/weather-conspiracy-theories-scientifically-unjustifiable/?utm_term=.dbb97b18d32e Will do, just thought I'd mention this, first I heard of it. I've not done any real research..that's what this board is for. Edited September 8, 2017 by Tacenda
Calm Posted September 8, 2017 Posted September 8, 2017 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101101125949.htm No, this board is not to replace personal study and research. There is nothing different between expecting others to do research for you before you even try and blind faith following leaders, Imo.
The Nehor Posted September 9, 2017 Author Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: https://geopolitics.co/2015/06/06/us-air-force-admits-they-can-control-weather/ I'm not sure, it seems the government is doing things all the time behind our backs. If we can build nuclear weapons, we can't control the weather? ETA: There is this too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye Nuclear weapons are child's play compared to controlling the weather. You build a reactor, enrich the material you need, set up a detonation system, and you are good to go. Building a delivery system can be difficult but it is basically just a missile. The idea of using nuclear weapons to break up hurricanes has been explored and abandoned. It probably won't work unless done at the very beginning of the storm when we do not know if it will become dangerous and the environmental fallout would be horrific especially if we tried to nuke every possible hurricane. Even if we did there is a logistical question of if we could keep up building missiles to target them. Cloud seeding can modify rainfall but not by much. We have no way to control the weather. We can influence it in small ways directly but not control it. We can influence it indirectly in major ways (*cough* climate change *cough*) but that still is not control. The UAE did some interesting experiments in creating rain though the results are still controversial and the full data has never been released. There are people working on ways to mitigate hurricanes. The NOAA is the US government entity responsible for hurricane, monitoring, advisories, and working on methods of mitigating them. I would not expect much in the near future though. Their budget was just slashed. Edited September 9, 2017 by The Nehor
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