What are your thoughts about sealings?

[halconero]

59 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Nah, I am immortal. I think I live my life pretty well though.

A picture of Nehor I took once when we met in person:

[Eek!]

2 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Is priesthood authority and worthiness enough to make a sealing honored if it goes against God's appointment?

If God doesn't approve of polygyny, will he honor polygynous sealings?
If God doesn't approve of polyandry, will he honor polyandrous sealings?
If God doesn't approve of SSM, would he honor a SSM sealing in the future?

Assuming worthiness and correct authority, is that enough to guarantee the enduring nature of a sealing?

 

This is just my opinion of course, but my answer to these questions is, Of course not.  That's why the approval of the Holy Spirit of Promise is essential.  Unless that happens, it's just an ordinary marriage, despite the trappings. 

2 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

If God doesn't distinguish between race, will he honor the sealing Jane Manning received to Joseph Smith?

That depends on what the Holy Spirit of Promise had to say about it.  If Jane is a member of Joseph's soul group, then Joseph might want to do that one over and change the wording. 

2 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

If we get a divorce and cancellation for reasons other than what God has established, would he ignore that sealing covenant or accept a new sealing?

I don't think our mistakes down here are insurmountable barriers that screw things up for all eternity.   There is a Pattern that is the way the human family was originally organized, and we are supposed to be organized that way again eventually, and if our mistakes in marriage and divorce are unfixable, there would be absolutely zero hope for the restoration of The Pattern.

And it's my opinion that we could be sealed (with the sealing ratified by the Holy Spirit of Promise) to other members of our soul group, so if the new sealing is to someone in our soul group, I don't see any problem with it. 

[JLHPROF]

35 minutes ago, Eek! said:

 That's why the approval of the Holy Spirit of Promise is essential. 

That depends on what the Holy Spirit of Promise had to say about it.

And it's my opinion that we could be sealed (with the sealing ratified by the Holy Spirit of Promise)

Just what exactly do we think the Holy Spirit of Promise is?
 

• D&C 132:7 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.

This is one of the most interesting verses.
Is this saying the HSP is a future ratification, or something required first, or is it a reference to the authority of the man holding the keys (the prophet)?

The sealing must be made by the HSP, entered into by the HSP, and sealed by the HSP.
The HSP apparently is "of him who is anointed".
Or is the first reference to the HSP of him who is anointed a reference to Christ whereas the second reference to the anointed one who is appointed to hold the authority on the earth?
Are we talking two anointed ones here or just one?
 

[ksfisher]

40 minutes ago, Eek! said:

 

 If Jane is a member of Joseph's soul group, then Joseph might want to do that one over and change the wording. 

 

I don't know about this...but I am a big fan of Sam & Dave.

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, halconero said:

A picture of Nehor I took once when we met in person:

Not fair! I have lost weight since then!

[Eek!]

21 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

Just what exactly do we think the Holy Spirit of Promise is?

I don't really know!  I've assumed it is the Holy Spirit, which is of Christ, the anointed one.  But I could be wrong.

Interesting that the words "of Promise" are included... I don't think that was casual.  I think the word implies that there are couples who promised, or were promised, that they would be together in this life, and that the Holy Spirit was promised as confirmation.  I think the word implies the promise of the couple being together in the next life as well.  And I think the word implies great potential, as in, "Wendy and Alfredo sure do have a lot of promise together!".  I think the latter sense especially embraces the idea of eternal progression. 

[Kenngo1969]

8 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Not to mention that's a good way to keep out if jail!

 

 

[Kenngo1969]

3 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Just what exactly do we think the Holy Spirit of Promise is? ...

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/holy-spirit-of-promise?lang=eng

[JLHPROF]

19 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/holy-spirit-of-promise?lang=eng

Yep.
Still doesn't fully explain D&C 132:7 and how the one man on the earth that holds the keys connects to the Holy Spirit of Promise.

[strappinglad]

I think, with very, very few exceptions, the covenants and sealings we enter into in this life are fully contingent on current and future behavior. Again, with few exceptions, the sealing by the Holy Spirit of Promise is done at a later date, perhaps as late as the resurrection of all involved. The concept of a " calling and election made sure " may be one of the exceptions. We must always remember that of the 100 billion people ( give or take ) who have inhabited this earth , only a minuscule percentage have lived when the sealing power was extant. Eek's idea of pre-existing relationships may have an application here.