Powerful And Unbreakable Sealing Power Of Parents

[Storm Rider]

Two questions come to my mind here.

1.) Do we know that both our first parents (Adam and Eve) are saved?

2.) And is it possible to have a loved one sealed to them in the Temple?

I agee with Nehor; Adam and Eve are saved; more to the point we believe they will achieve exaltation. As far as being sealed directly to them? It is the purpose of the sealing power to seal each of back through our entire line of ancestors that we might all be saved. It is our individual responsiblity to seek out our ancestors and offer them the ordinances of exaltation that we might all be saved as one family. Answer: you or anyone else could only be sealed to Adam and Eve through the sealing of your ancestors back to them. One of the purposes of the Millenium is to have this sealing work completed for all.

[The Nehor]

The more interesting question is if parents through their righteousness can lead to the redemption of their children then what of Cain? What of Laman and Lemuel? What of Ham?

[LeSellers]

1.) Do we know that both our first parents (Adam and Eve) are saved?

Yes. Both Joseph and Joseph F. Smith saw them in the Celestia Kingdom. See Doc&Cov 137 and 138.

4 I saw the beautiful streets of that kingdom, which had the appearance of being paved with gold. 5 I saw Father Adam and Abraham; and my father and my mother; my brother Alvin, that has long since slept;

38 Among the great and mighty ones who were assembled in this vast congregation of the righteous were Father Adam, the Ancient of Days and father of all, 39 And our glorious Mother Eve, with many of her faithful daughters who had lived through the ages and worshiped the true and living God.

2.) And is it possible to have a loved one sealed to them in the Temple?

"To them", meaning to Adam and Eve or to the person making the inquiry?

All of their children will be sealed, eventually, to Adam and Eve, either directly or indirectly through others who are first generation descendants. (However, if a "link" refuses or is unworthy of the sealing, the next generation becomes the direct connection. All who are worthy and willing will be sealed, and those sealings are both just and effective.)

As to having someone sealed to an interested party, any one who had died can have his Temple work done by a descendant, and, it that descendant is a son or daughter, that sealing is one of the ordinances available. If a more distant relationship, the sealing will be indirect, but still just as effective.

Lehi

Edited February 13, 2012 by LeSellers

[LeSellers]

The more interesting question is if parents through their righteousness can lead to the redemption of their children then what of Cain? What of Laman and Lemuel? What of Ham?

While parents can "lead to the redemption of their children", they cannot coerce their children into the Celestial kingdom.

So, it depends on whether Cain, Laman, Lemuel and Ham (among a host of others) repent and accept Christ as their Redeemer and Savior (even though they will still have to pay the price for their sins personally[see Doc&Cov 19]—only He can overcome death for them).

Those who are forced to bow the knee and confess Him as Lord will not be able to enter the Celestial kingdom. They who do so voluntarily, even though their lives and faith were otherwise insufficient to qualify for His redemptive grace in regards to their sins, will be "clean" and will be permitted in.

Lest anyone think he can meet this much lower standard of conduct, however, he would do well to reflect on the words of the Savior here:

13 Wherefore, I command you to repent, and keep the commandments which you have received by the hand of my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., in my name; 14 And it is by my almighty power that you have received them; 15 Therefore I command you to repent—repent, lest I smite you by the rod of my mouth, and by my wrath, and by my anger, and your sufferings be sore—how sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you know not.

16 For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent; 17 But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I; 18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—19 Nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men.

'Twon't be easy.

The best path is to eschew, avoid and reject sin. The second best is to repent, early and often. Only a far distant third option is to wait until we must pay the price of our own sins, and to rely on others to provide the requisite ordinances on our behalf.

Lehi

Edited February 13, 2012 by LeSellers

[Mansquatch]

God = Perfect Justice

Finite mistakes + Infinite damnation = Perfect Justice ???

[Buzzard]

While the details are a bit sensitive to discuss on an anoymous forum, an incident that happened to my father at the funeral for my maternal grandfather who had a daughter who had been very inactive most of her adult life leads me to hold that in some way that I do not understand completely, righteous parents are able to reclaim sealed offspring. To what exent and by what method, I do not claim to know.

[bluebell]

God = Perfect Justice

Finite mistakes + Infinite damnation = Perfect Justice ???

I don't really know.

I've heard this same example used by people who deny the need for an Atonement however and argue that God is too just and merciful to require the sacrifice of His Son to save other people, so I think that a lot of how we interpret this issue depends on how we interpret scripture, how we interpret 'justice' and what we believe about eternal laws.

[Mansquatch]

I don't really know.

I've heard this same example used by people who deny the need for an Atonement however and argue that God is too just and merciful to require the sacrifice of His Son to save other people, so I think that a lot of how we interpret this issue depends on how we interpret scripture, how we interpret 'justice' and what we believe about eternal laws.

Uuuhh God is too just and merciful to fulfill justice by mercifully sending His Son to save us? Let me at these geniuses. They make no sense. Plus, even if you ignore the atonement for sin, we are still screwed without resurrected bodies from the Atonement.

I think we all agree that this topic is extremely interesting but not at all important in regard to what we should be doing in life.

[bluebell]

Uuuhh God is too just and merciful to fulfill justice by mercifully sending His Son to save us? Let me at these geniuses. They make no sense. Plus, even if you ignore the atonement for sin, we are still screwed without resurrected bodies from the Atonement.

I think we all agree that this topic is extremely interesting but not at all important in regard to what we should be doing in life.

Yeah, they claim that God can just forgive us our sins when we repent and that the idea of an Atonement to make repentance possible is a corruption of both His justice and His mercy. It was a frustrating conversation on all sides!

If you don't believe God is bound by any eternal laws and that He literally can do whatever He wants and still remain God, it kind of makes sense i guess but it just shows how important it is to have a full understanding of the plan of salvation and what can happen when the measuring stick for deciding doctrine is 'it makes sense to me'.

Edited February 14, 2012 by bluebell

[Mansquatch]

Yeah, they claim that God can just forgive us our sins when we repent and that the idea of an Atonement to make repentance possible is a corruption of both His justice and His mercy. It was a frustrating conversation on all sides!

If you don't believe God is bound by any eternal laws and that He literally can do whatever He wants and still remain God, it kind of makes sense i guess but it just shows how important it is to have a full understanding of the plan of salvation and what can happen when the measuring stick for deciding doctrine is 'it makes sense to me'.

God can just say that He forgives us for being idiots, but then we are still stuck at a point where we cannot be Perfect and Eternal. His goal is not to just have us be "forgiven" the way two friends make up after a disagreement. If you look at it as though that was the goal, then you could conclude that there was no need for atonement. His goal is to have us understand and be empowered by the eternal laws that He perfectly understands and that requires atonement.