bsjkki Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 Could someone please source this meme for me and let me know if it is accurate. It is popping up everywhere and I would like to know when he said it (if at all) and it's full context. Thanks!
TheSkepticChristian Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, bsjkki said: Could someone please source this meme for me and let me know if it is accurate. It is popping up everywhere and I would like to know when he said it (if at all) and it's full context. Thanks! True, all because Trump is the Republican nominee. However, Cruz was no better. All the people on facebook sharing that are the same people that voted for George Bush twice! Hypocrites! Where was the Benson quote back then Edited May 9, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
Duncan Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 I can't find anything and I have glasses so maybe it's made up or misquoted?
bsjkki Posted May 9, 2016 Author Posted May 9, 2016 I have family members that this is influencing in the upcoming election. They feel they "must" write in a candidate because of this advice. They also listen to Julie Rowe and believe in energy healing so...
Popular Post Nevo Posted May 9, 2016 Popular Post Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, bsjkki said: Could someone please source this meme for me and let me know if it is accurate. It is popping up everywhere and I would like to know when he said it (if at all) and it's full context. Thanks! A Redditor has traced the source of this quote to a guy named Mike Thompson who posted the following in 2009: "Pres. Benson, when we were sitting in his office in the Church Office Building many years ago told me this after discussing many issues: 'Mike, if you vote for the lesser of two evils you are still voting for evil and you will be judged for it. You should always vote for the best possible candidate, whether they have a chance of winning or not. Then, even if the worst possible candidate wins, the Lord will bless our nation more because more people were willing to stand up for what is right.'" https://groups.google.com/d/msg/zion-list/jGGZQ5-TEac/DSROng5Yt_sJ So, no, it's not an accurate quote. Edited May 9, 2016 by Nevo 5
The Nehor Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 One of the principle problems of democracy is it enables idiots with political views to believe that their holding said views are actually relevant. That and it allows many saints to indulge in the satisfying pastime of thinking evil of their neighbor and hating them openly while imagining that they are fulfilling a civic duty.
RevTestament Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 4 hours ago, Nevo said: A Redditor has traced the source of this quote to a guy named Mike Thompson who posted the following in 2009: "Pres. Benson, when we were sitting in his office in the Church Office Building many years ago told me this after discussing many issues: 'Mike, if you vote for the lesser of two evils you are still voting for evil and you will be judged for it. You should always vote for the best possible candidate, whether they have a chance of winning or not. Then, even if the worst possible candidate wins, the Lord will bless our nation more because more people were willing to stand up for what is right.'" https://groups.google.com/d/msg/zion-list/jGGZQ5-TEac/DSROng5Yt_sJ So, no, it's not an accurate quote. Do we know this? Maybe not an "official" quote, but who do we have to say it is not something he actually said? 1
bluebell Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 12 hours ago, Nevo said: A Redditor has traced the source of this quote to a guy named Mike Thompson who posted the following in 2009: "Pres. Benson, when we were sitting in his office in the Church Office Building many years ago told me this after discussing many issues: 'Mike, if you vote for the lesser of two evils you are still voting for evil and you will be judged for it. You should always vote for the best possible candidate, whether they have a chance of winning or not. Then, even if the worst possible candidate wins, the Lord will bless our nation more because more people were willing to stand up for what is right.'" https://groups.google.com/d/msg/zion-list/jGGZQ5-TEac/DSROng5Yt_sJ So, no, it's not an accurate quote. It sounds like we don't have enough information to know if it's accurate or not, but regardless it's probably not a good idea to pass it around since it's unverifiable. In regards to the OP, people need to realize that these quote memes are probably not all they pretend to be. Most of the quotes that i've seen passed around on there are not at all accurate. We are too trusting and too lazy with this kind of stuff.
Gillebre Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 I'm 90% sure that I'm friends with that Mike Thompson on Facebook. A good guy, but overly political with a tinge of judgment in his posts.
Popular Post Sky Posted May 9, 2016 Popular Post Posted May 9, 2016 I know a lot of people have major qualms about the presumptive Presidential candidates for the two major political parties. But whomever you support or don't support, remember the official position of the Church is this: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/official-statement/political-neutrality My point: Don't let an obscure, unsubstantiated quote from a past prophet sway who you do (or don't) vote for. Study the issues out in your minds, and vote for whoever you feel truly has your best interests at heart - and our country's best interests. My 2 cents worth. 5
Maedros Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) On 5/9/2016 at 3:46 AM, bsjkki said: I'm not sure how accurate this is or whether Pres. Benson said it - but it is sound advise. If Romney (the 'right' candidate) won (for instance), he might've (with the Lord's help) succeeded in making America great again; but alas, because of secret combinations: it was not meant to be. Edited May 10, 2016 by Maedros ----
ttribe Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, Maedros said: I'm not sure how accurate this is or whether Pres. Benson said it - but it is sound advise. If Romney (the 'right' candidate) won (for instance), he might've (with the Lord's help) succeeded in making America great again; but alas, because of secret combinations: it was not meant to be. Oh, good grief. Seriously? 3
cinepro Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 Unless there is a crazy surprise at the Republican and Democratic conventions, I won't be voting for either major party candidate. A decision I am made more comfortable with on the merits of the relative meaninglessness of my vote anyhow (especially in California). http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/06/magazine/why-vote.html 1
canard78 Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 39 minutes ago, Maedros said: I'm not sure how accurate this is or whether Pres. Benson said it - but it is sound advise. If Romney (the 'right' candidate) won (for instance), he might've (with the Lord's help) succeeded in making America great again; but alas, because of secret combinations: it was not meant to be. 31 minutes ago, ttribe said: Oh, good grief. Seriously? "Good grief" indeed. Everybody knows it's "advice" not "advise." I'm guessing that was the part of the comment that you were annoyed by? I don't know what words after that blunder were. I was too distracted by the rogue "s."
Anijen Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 One party would say their opponent is "evil" and the same for the opposing party. What is determined "evil"? Is it evil to oppose one party's views? Is trump evil or stupid? Is Hillary evil or corrupt, are they the same? It seems to me there is a legitimate argument to vote for either candidate and not be voting for evil at all, let alone a lesser of two evils.
The Nehor Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Maedros said: I'm not sure how accurate this is or whether Pres. Benson said it - but it is sound advise. If Romney (the 'right' candidate) won (for instance), he might've (with the Lord's help) succeeded in making America great again; but alas, because of secret combinations: it was not meant to be. This is the kind of comedy I aspire to create one day. 1
The Nehor Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Anijen said: One party would say their opponent is "evil" and the same for the opposing party. What is determined "evil"? Is it evil to oppose one party's views? Is trump evil or stupid? Is Hillary evil or corrupt, are they the same? It seems to me there is a legitimate argument to vote for either candidate and not be voting for evil at all, let alone a lesser of two evils. It all becomes more entertaining when you just realize they are very sober and serious idiots and treat it like comic farce. In the long run it will not matter who wins in any case.
ERayR Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 3 hours ago, ttribe said: Oh, good grief. Seriously? 2 hours ago, canard78 said: "Good grief" indeed. Everybody knows it's "advice" not "advise." I'm guessing that was the part of the comment that you were annoyed by? I don't know what words after that blunder were. I was too distracted by the rogue "s." I too assume it was the writing and and not the politics. First we do not discuss politics here and second his politics seemed pretty sound.
Jeanne Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 3 hours ago, ttribe said: Oh, good grief. Seriously? That went through my mind too. Are you kidding???
Bobbieaware Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: This is the kind of comedy I aspire to create one day. What part of what Maedros' post find comedic? That Romney might have "made America great again," that there are secret combinations in our day, or both?
The Nehor Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Bobbieaware said: What part of what Maedros' post find comedic? That Romney might have "made America great again," that there are secret combinations in our day, or both? To the first, yes, very funny. To the second, that is not what was said. It was said that secret combinations kept him from office and that I also find funny. There are secret combinations, bumbling idiots trying to win wealth and power in conspiracies. Their conspiracies are generally inept and transparent just like they were in the Book of Mormon. 1
bsjkki Posted May 9, 2016 Author Posted May 9, 2016 So now the decision is whether or not to denounce the meme publicly on my facebook page as dubious and offend the relatives...what to do?
Bobbieaware Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: To the first, yes, very funny. To the second, that is not what was said. It was said that secret combinations kept him from office and that I also find funny. There are secret combinations, bumbling idiots trying to win wealth and power in conspiracies. Their conspiracies are generally inept and transparent just like they were in the Book of Mormon. Inept? Really? The following testimony from the prophet Moroni indicates the secret combinations spoken of in the Book of Mormon were most-assuredly anything but inept, for with great efficiency they the caused the utter temporal destruction of two great nations that once existed in the Western Hemisphere, and they also succeeded in sending untold thousands of souls to hell. 21 And they (the secret combinations that wrought the work of destruction among the Jaredites and the Nephites) have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking (the Jaredites), and also the destruction of the people of Nephi. 22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not. (Ether 8). Is it not true saying these two horrifyingly destructive secret combinations were inept is tantamount to saying the awful monster known as the devil is inept? 2
Jim Stiles Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 9 hours ago, bluebell said: It sounds like we don't have enough information to know if it's accurate or not, but regardless it's probably not a good idea to pass it around since it's unverifiable. In regards to the OP, people need to realize that these quote memes are probably not all they pretend to be. Most of the quotes that i've seen passed around on there are not at all accurate. We are too trusting and too lazy with this kind of stuff. "50% of internet quotes are not accurate" -- Abraham Lincoln :-) 3
Jim Stiles Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 1 hour ago, bsjkki said: So now the decision is whether or not to denounce the meme publicly on my facebook page as dubious and offend the relatives...what to do? You can be like me and offend relatives so often that offensive behavior becomes expected. However, I do draw the line at pornography and pornography-like Facebook posts. I have followers and friends who are younger than 18. Example: Nicene Creed == offensive, but acceptable. Pretty girl without any clothes on == not acceptable. Ted Cruz or Rand Paul campaign item == offensive, but acceptable. Dirty joke about Hillary Clinton == not acceptable.
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