cinepro Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Last year, the Church released a new curriculum for the Old Testament in Seminary. The lesson on Noah's flood no doubt reflects the most recent and up-to-date teachings in the Church on this subject. The students are asked to complete the following True/False quiz to test their knowledge of the events and scope of the flood: Quote ____ Noah took seven of some animals on the ark. ____ Noah was 60 years old when the Flood came. ____ Rain was the only source of water that flooded the earth ____ The rain did not cease for forty days. ____ Eight people were saved on the ark. ____ In addition to Noah’s family and the animals on the ark, one other family also survived the Flood by staying on the top of a mountain. https://www.lds.org/manual/old-testament-seminary-teacher-manual/introduction-to-the-book-of-genesis/lesson-17-genesis-6-13-9-29?lang=eng The answers are at the link. Bonus Question: For those who believe that there were other cultures and civilizations in other parts of the world that weren't affected by the flood, how surprised will the seminary students be when they find that out in light of question #6? Does anyone want to suggest that the reason #6 is "false" is because it wasn't one other family that was saved, but tens of thousands? Edited March 27, 2016 by cinepro 1
Freedom Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Question 6 is false because nobody besides Noah and his family were saved from the flood that is referenced in Genesis 7. You are splitting hairs again.
mnn727 Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 The seminary quiz was based on the Bible. Using the Bible as a basis, I also got all answers correct. However I still do not believe the story of Noah's and the flood as related in the Bible. 3
Sanpitch Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 51 minutes ago, mnn727 said: The seminary quiz was based on the Bible. Using the Bible as a basis, I also got all answers correct. However I still do not believe the story of Noah's and the flood as related in the Bible. Why do you not believe the story, just because it's impossible and a ridiculous story?
Rivers Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Number 3 was interesting. I never noticed that fountains were a source of the flood water. 1
strappinglad Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 It just occurred to me, but I wonder of there were some unused staterooms on the Ark because Noah had hoped that more people might have been convinced to get on board?
cinepro Posted March 28, 2016 Author Posted March 28, 2016 4 hours ago, Rivers said: Number 3 was interesting. I never noticed that fountains were a source of the flood water. It makes more sense if you see the world the way the ancient hebrews did: 2
Rain Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 "3. ___ Rain was the only source of water that flooded the earth." False. I am not that old and the only time I have been a source of water was last Thanksgiving at the 10k. 4
JAHS Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 4 hours ago, Rivers said: Number 3 was interesting. I never noticed that fountains were a source of the flood water. According to Bill Cosby the sewers also backed up adding to the volume of water. 2
The Nehor Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 5 hours ago, strappinglad said: It just occurred to me, but I wonder of there were some unused staterooms on the Ark because Noah had hoped that more people might have been convinced to get on board? No room if he was preserving all land and freshwater life on Earth. Now if he just took his breeding stock from his herds.....maybe.
thesometimesaint Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 There are three probable answers to that question. 1. The Flood was a series of miracles by God. 2. The Flood was just stories handed down by other peoples that eventually were included in the Scriptures. 3. The Flood was a massive albeit regional event faithfully observed and recorded by the prophet Noah. I choose number 3.
cinepro Posted March 28, 2016 Author Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, thesometimesaint said: There are three probable answers to that question. 1. The Flood was a series of miracles by God. 2. The Flood was just stories handed down by other peoples that eventually were included in the Scriptures. 3. The Flood was a massive albeit regional event faithfully observed and recorded by the prophet Noah. I choose number 3. Wasn't it supposed to have been "recorded" by Moses, based on a vision? Edited March 28, 2016 by cinepro
consiglieri Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 23 hours ago, Rivers said: Number 3 was interesting. I never noticed that fountains were a source of the flood water. It comes from the ancient Hebrew world view that the earth rests on a fountain of waters, and also that over the crystalline dome called the firmament is another ocean of waters. Hence, both the waters from above and the waters from beneath contributed to the Flood. Something we would be unlikely to agree with from our modern-day perspective.
The Nehor Posted March 29, 2016 Posted March 29, 2016 22 hours ago, cinepro said: It makes more sense if you see the world the way the ancient hebrews did: So God lives in a house floating on top of an ocean? Kind of cool. Also, what happens if the groundwater goes through Sheol. Does that contaminate it?
Freedom Posted March 29, 2016 Posted March 29, 2016 God speaks through his servants and according to the understanding of his servants. God has never revealed new scientific knowledge through his prophets. I have no doubt that the story of the flood is not a story that was passed on from generation, but rather was revealed to Moses in a way that he and his people would have understood. It used his cosmology because if Moses was given our cosmology, it would have been of no benefit. Just imagine what a jumbled mess the story would have been if God told Moses that the flood was caused by an earthquake deep below the ocean hundreds of miles away due to shifting plates which occurred at the same time as a torrential storm caused by a temperature inversion exacerbated by global warming. Now this global warming was caused by a number of volcanic eruptions on the other side of the planet which is the shape of a sphere. Wait, says Moses, what is a volcanic eruption? for that matter, what word would god have used since there was not likely a word in his language for such an event. Shaking ground? The ground did not shake when Noah built his boat. and just what word would God have used for temperature inversion? We do not feel the need to dispute claims in the bible that we think with our heart, knowing now that our thinking occurs in our brain. This was how they understood physiology so God went with it. Of course, the church manuals don't care about the science, they are only concerned with the text.
canard78 Posted March 29, 2016 Posted March 29, 2016 On 26 March 2016 at 10:53 PM, Freedom said: Question 6 is false because nobody besides Noah and his family were saved from the flood that is referenced in Genesis 7. You are splitting hairs again. So do you believe that all other human life was wiped out at the flood and that Noah's family rebooted the human race?
canard78 Posted March 29, 2016 Posted March 29, 2016 On 26 March 2016 at 10:42 PM, Hamba Tuhan said: I got 100%! And do you believe 100% of the answers? If memory serves me well, you live somewhere in Asia/Pacific? Feel free to ignore that question if you feel it's too personal a question. Do you believe places like Borneo, Australia or the Galápagos Islands were flooded? When I visited Borneo some years ago, any lasting beliefs that the flood was anything other than a myth was blown away. The story is implausible.
Hamba Tuhan Posted March 29, 2016 Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, canard78 said: And do you believe 100% of the answers? What exactly do you mean by 'believe 100%'? For example, we have two different accounts in Genesis of Noah and the number of animals he took on board the ark, one in chapter six (two of every animal) and one in chapter seven (seven of the 'clean' animals). I'm also aware that '40 days and 40 nights' may well mean just 'a long time'. Quote When I visited Borneo some years ago, any lasting beliefs that the flood was anything other than a myth was blown away. The story is implausible. I have experienced too many perfectly implausible things in my life already to allow presumed implausibility to dictate to me what I will believe and will not believe. Edited March 29, 2016 by Hamba Tuhan
canard78 Posted March 29, 2016 Posted March 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: What exactly do you mean by 'believe 100%'? For example, we have two different accounts in Genesis of Noah and the number of animals he took on board the ark, one in chapter six (two of every animal) and one in chapter seven (seven of the 'clean' animals). I'm also aware that '40 days and 40 nights' may well mean just 'a long time'. I have experienced too many perfectly implausible things in my life already to allow presumed implausibility to dictate to me what I will believe and will not believe. You've told me what you don't believe in this post and you've also highlighted the inconsistency and ambiguity in the account. We could start with the implication of question 8: Do you believe other humans survived the flood? And to my question, do you believe the unique animals of the countries in the islands of the Pacific survived the flood by being on the ark or by not being reached at all by the flood.
thesometimesaint Posted March 29, 2016 Posted March 29, 2016 20 hours ago, cinepro said: Wasn't it supposed to have been "recorded" by Moses, based on a vision? That would fall under number one.
Hamba Tuhan Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, canard78 said: Do you believe other humans survived the flood? I believe the same thing the Lord did when he spoke on this topic as recorded in Luke 17:26-27. Quote And to my question, do you believe the unique animals of the countries in the islands of the Pacific survived the flood by being on the ark or by not being reached at all by the flood. I personally don't know anything about the origins of the Pacific's animals, and I'm not even sure that your two options are the only ones. Quote Believe in God; believe that he is, and that he created all things, both in heaven and in earth; believe that he has all wisdom, and all power, both in heaven and in earth; believe that man doth not comprehend all the things which the Lord can comprehend (Mosiah 4:9). Edited March 30, 2016 by Hamba Tuhan
Freedom Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 21 hours ago, canard78 said: So do you believe that all other human life was wiped out at the flood and that Noah's family rebooted the human race? I believe that the text does not claim a global flood so as far as the events in the story, everybody but Noah's family died. Who was encompassed by the flood is not expressed. There is no need to assume that the flood was global in order for the details to be an accurate portrayal of what occurred.
canard78 Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 5 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I believe the same thing the Lord did when he spoke on this topic as recorded in Luke 17:26-27. I personally don't know anything about the origins of the Pacific's animals, and I'm not even sure that your two options are the only ones. I'm curious to know why you're avoiding answering the question directly? Luke 17 states the flood: "...destroyed them all." Given Jesus does not tell us what he means by "all" then your answer isn't any clearer than before you answered it. Do you believe "all" was a limited number (such as "all of the people in Noah's neighbourhood") or a global event (as in "all of humanity"). It's a simple "yes," "no" or "I don't know." To your second non-answer. Do you believe there were kangaroos and proboscis monkeys on the ark? If so, how did they get back to Australia and Borneo and if not, does that mean those land masses weren't flooded. Or something else (as you allude to). Why aren't you willing to actually say what you do believe? 1
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