Utah Looking To Solve Homelessness By Building Homes. Can Someone Verify?

[poptart]

http://fox13now.com/2014/08/12/slc-officials-work-with-businesses-to-build-home-for-homeless/

 

Also, this is the first time I ever heard a politican refer to the homeless as brothers and sisters, no one in the USA does that anymore. 

[Okrahomer]

http://fox13now.com/2014/08/12/slc-officials-work-with-businesses-to-build-home-for-homeless/

 

Also, this is the first time I ever heard a politican refer to the homeless as brothers and sisters, no one in the USA does that anymore.

There is this item from earlier this past summer, which seems related: http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Salt-Lake-City-a-model-for-S-F-on-homeless-5587357.php

[katherine the great]

I have really mixed feelings about this issue.  Temporary homeless shelters are necessary but need to be strictly supervised with the ultimate goal being self sufficiency.  Otherwise, if a city builds homes for the homeless and gives them keys to their own homes, I guarantee more homeless will keep showing up and endless  resources will be continually going in to maintenance.  At the same time, I can hardly stand the thought of people sleeping in parks or under bridges in the winter.

[Yirgacheffe]

http://fox13now.com/2014/08/12/slc-officials-work-with-businesses-to-build-home-for-homeless/

 

Also, this is the first time I ever heard a politican refer to the homeless as brothers and sisters, no one in the USA does that anymore. 

Well politicians might not refer to the homeless as brothers and sisters religious people of all stripes have and continue to see and speak of the homeless this way.

[poptart]

There is this item from earlier this past summer, which seems related: http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Salt-Lake-City-a-model-for-S-F-on-homeless-5587357.php

wow, thats awesome

 

I have really mixed feelings about this issue.  Temporary homeless shelters are necessary but need to be strictly supervised with the ultimate goal being self sufficiency.  Otherwise, if a city builds homes for the homeless and gives them keys to their own homes, I guarantee more homeless will keep showing up and endless  resources will be continually going in to maintenance.  At the same time, I can hardly stand the thought of people sleeping in parks or under bridges in the winter.

As someone who had to deal with that as a kid I can see what you mean.  In my case it was due to my alcoholic father drinking up all the money so yeah strict supervision would be necessary.  So many homeless have substance abuse problems of some kind so this is something you would have to keep an eye on. 

 

Well politicians might not refer to the homeless as brothers and sisters religious people of all stripes have and continue to see and speak of the homeless this way.

Depends, I knew a lot of religious people who sure had the holier than though attitude and were perfectly ok with the homeless dying on the street.

here

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/an-overlooked-hate-sermon_b_99840.html

I love the LDS church, so far its been nothing but kindness from them.

[rpn]

The research though is that giving a home is a lot cheaper and more effective because it increases the likelihood that someone can get/keep a job, and their children can go to school and learn.

[Tacenda]

I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Yirgacheffe]

 

Depends, I knew a lot of religious people who sure had the holier than though attitude and were perfectly ok with the homeless dying on the street.

here

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/an-overlooked-hate-sermon_b_99840.html

I love the LDS church, so far its been nothing but kindness from them.

By me it's the Lutherans and Catholics who display kindness to the homeless offering shelter, food, clothing, medical and dental care, help with employment and permanent housing.  I've never met a religious person who was okay with the homeless dying on the street.  But of course you must be right no one but LDS members refer to the homeless as brothers and sisters.

[poptart]

By me it's the Lutherans and Catholics who display kindness to the homeless offering shelter, food, clothing, medical and dental care, help with employment and permanent housing.  I've never met a religious person who was okay with the homeless dying on the street.  But of course you must be right no one but LDS members refer to the homeless as brothers and sisters.

Was baptised Lutheran and went to church maybe a handful of times, did not grow up religious at all.  Had a con man father with a doctorate in divinity who abused me and my mom and kept trying to scam people so that was my exposure to christianity in the family.  As far as charity goes, I was stuck in the deep south for a bit as a kid and the general attitude of people there was god hates you, starve.  Was waaaay worse for my mom who was from maui.  People there were just horrible to her.  I say let them rot and be forgotten.

Never ment to imply no one else cared, but I've had a pretty bad live and well, so far the Mormons have been awesome.  Also, they let my non LDS mom go to BYUH at a very good rate, something no college here on the mainland would do.  For me, its what i've had exposure to.  I was the throwaway kid, no one wanted me, I didn't count.  Would have been nice if someone stepped up to the plate when I was growing up but no one did.  Atleast the LDS church is helping me get a job and I hope I can get something before my mental problems kick in, again.  Think the Bishop might be planning for that, who knows...

[The Nehor]

Was baptised Lutheran and went to church maybe a handful of times, did not grow up religious at all.  Had a con man father with a doctorate in divinity who abused me and my mom and kept trying to scam people so that was my exposure to christianity in the family.  As far as charity goes, I was stuck in the deep south for a bit as a kid and the general attitude of people there was god hates you, starve.  Was waaaay worse for my mom who was from maui.  People there were just horrible to her.  I say let them rot and be forgotten.

Never ment to imply no one else cared, but I've had a pretty bad live and well, so far the Mormons have been awesome.  Also, they let my non LDS mom go to BYUH at a very good rate, something no college here on the mainland would do.  For me, its what i've had exposure to.  I was the throwaway kid, no one wanted me, I didn't count.  Would have been nice if someone stepped up to the plate when I was growing up but no one did.  Atleast the LDS church is helping me get a job and I hope I can get something before my mental problems kick in, again.  Think the Bishop might be planning for that, who knows...

 

To quote Captain Hammer:

 

"I hate the homeless...................ness problem that plagues our fair city."

[Kenngo1969]

I have really mixed feelings about this issue.  Temporary homeless shelters are necessary but need to be strictly supervised with the ultimate goal being self sufficiency.  Otherwise, if a city builds homes for the homeless and gives them keys to their own homes, I guarantee more homeless will keep showing up and endless  resources will be continually going in to maintenance.  At the same time, I can hardly stand the thought of people sleeping in parks or under bridges in the winter.

"Give a man a fish"—or even a few dozen or a few hundred fish, or even one really big fish—"and you'll feed him for [only a limited number of] day(s).  Teach a man to fish, and you'll feed him for a lifetime."  A single job at which a man can earn a reasonable living, and at which he can be reasonably successful, is worth all of the fish handed out in the world.   

[cinepro]

There are two ways to reduce the number of homeless people.  Putting them in homes is the better option by far, and I'm glad to hear that was what they decided to go with.

[The Nehor]

"Give a man a fish"—or even a few dozen or a few hundred fish, or even one really big fish—"and you'll feed him for [only a limited number of] day(s).  Teach a man to fish, and you'll feed him for a lifetime."  A single job at which a man can earn a reasonable living, and at which he can be reasonably successful, is worth all of the fish handed out in the world.   

That sounds great but some people just cannot be taught how to fish. Plus mostl homeless would have a hard time getting commercial fishing licenses,

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.

Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

Feed a man to fish and a village of fish will eat for many days.

Teach fish to eat man and you get a Sharknado.

[The Nehor]

There are two ways to reduce the number of homeless people.  Putting them in homes is the better option by far, and I'm glad to hear that was what they decided to go with.

Why are you so opposed to liquidating them?

[Pahoran]

Why are you so opposed to liquidating them?

I was sort of wondering if his rejected option involved automatic weapons...

Regards,

Pahoran

[LinuxGal]

That sounds great but some people just cannot be taught how to fish. Plus mostl homeless would have a hard time getting commercial fishing licenses,

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.

Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

Feed a man to fish and a village of fish will eat for many days.

Teach fish to eat man and you get a Sharknado.

 

Teach a man to fish and he will drink beer with his buddies all weekend.

[cursor]

"Give a man a fish"—or even a few dozen or a few hundred fish, or even one really big fish—"and you'll feed him for [only a limited number of] day(s).  Teach a man to fish, and you'll feed him for a lifetime."  A single job at which a man can earn a reasonable living, and at which he can be reasonably successful, is worth all of the fish handed out in the world.   

 

Don't isolate Christ's words, as any reasonable form of solution to this world's problems. What else did he say? How varied were his times from ours?

 

Some of us are more capable at the art of "working" in this current world. Others .., not so much. This changing economic condition is a moving target. I personally experienced this in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the ... (hell, no college experience, yet sane and focused). In the next century I was still sane and focused ... yet seriously concerned for those who aren't, or those who can't (and there are very many).

 

Throughout time there are folks who can, and those who cannot. They will have offspring, who can and who cannot. What to do with the leftovers? What would Christ say?

[poptart]

Don't isolate Christ's words, as any reasonable form of solution to this world's problems. What else did he say? How varied were his times from ours?

 

Some of us are more capable at the art of "working" in this current world. Others .., not so much. This changing economic condition is a moving target. I personally experienced this in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the ... (hell, no college experience, yet sane and focused). In the next century I was still sane and focused ... yet seriously concerned for those who aren't, or those who can't (and there are very many).

 

Throughout time there are folks who can, and those who cannot. They will have offspring, who can and who cannot. What to do with the leftovers? What would Christ say?

Whelp, the Bishop is still trying to help me get into Deseret and LDS employment services is still helping.  The missionaries there are an elderly couple, and it slipped out the other day about my fathers alcoholism when she brought up how many young people she sees staggering out of the bar by their home.  They also know my anxiety and depression is kicking in and unlike a lot of people who would be biased pricks since i'm male and give the the whole shape up or stave attitutde they have not said one word of spite and understand that I will be back in outpatient mental care soon.

I didn't even have a chance to screw up growing up, I was the disposable trash no one wanted, and what did I get for it in my time of need when my alcoholic father tossed me out the first time?  Having everyone I knew who I thought was my friend turn their back. 

So far no one has treated me poorly, yet but I'm sure they're out there and I do have a knack for keeping away from "bad" people nowadays. 

I wish christians in the USA would be more like the ones in Canada and Europe who do a lot more charity.  Sure, the ones here help but wow not like the LDS church does.  Think Jesus would vomit if he saw how Christians in general nowadays behave.

[pogi]

"Give a man a fish"—or even a few dozen or a few hundred fish, or even one really big fish—"and you'll feed him for [only a limited number of] day(s).  Teach a man to fish, and you'll feed him for a lifetime."  A single job at which a man can earn a reasonable living, and at which he can be reasonably successful, is worth all of the fish handed out in the world.   

 

Yet Christ gave fish, not fishing poles, to those who were hungry.

 

I think there should be a reasonable balance between the two. 

 

In this case, I agree that these homes should not be gifts, but there should be some expectation and requirement for re-payment.   

Edited November 26, 2014 by pogi

[Kenngo1969]

Don't isolate Christ's words, as any reasonable form of solution to this world's problems. What else did he say? How varied were his times from ours?

 

Some of us are more capable at the art of "working" in this current world. Others .., not so much. This changing economic condition is a moving target. I personally experienced this in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the ... (hell, no college experience, yet sane and focused). In the next century I was still sane and focused ... yet seriously concerned for those who aren't, or those who can't (and there are very many).

 

Throughout time there are folks who can, and those who cannot. They will have offspring, who can and who cannot. What to do with the leftovers? What would Christ say?

I didn't isolate Christ's words.  If it better fits your purposes (whatever they are; I frankly cannot fathom) to imagine that I somehow am arguing against the command to be charitable, I won't stand in your way.  (For the record, however, I am not arguing against the command to be charitable, if that makes a difference to you.  Just sayin'!)

 

I agree with you that there are as many and as varied capacities for work as there are inhabitants on this planet. Personally, as much of a challenge as it has been for me to find work to which I am well suited, I wish I were better-suited to some form of manual labor or other work requiring physical exertion.  However, there is a certain school of thought that says, "What's your problem?  You get an SSDI check every month; you're on Medicaid and Medicare. What more do you need?  Shut up and keep cashing the checks!" True, more than a few need that safety net, and they should have it.  The problem is, there's a certain subset of people who get government benefits who are snarled in the "safety" net and cannot get out, because the only work they can get is a job for which they are ill-suited, or it's part-time and/or nonbenefited, et cetera.  Every month, I get a delivery of more fish, even though I have a fishing pole and am perfectly capable of catching my own.  And Deseret Industries, LDS Employment Resource Centers, other organs of Church welfare, and local wards are about teaching people to fish whenever that is possible rather than simply catching them fish.  Even when local ward members get assistance from Fast Offerings, they are encouraged to help with building cleaning, landscaping, upkeep, et cetera.

Edited November 26, 2014 by Kenngo1969