Randall57 Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Right? According to who? You, me, Ahab or . . .?I have no idea. We need some leadership I suppose.
Randall57 Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Stop for a minute and meditate on what he wrote.I did , and it is just an pinion we can speculate all you want, but when the prophets contradict each other why on earth would accept wishful thinking?
Randall57 Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 I don't always agree with Ahab but I would like you to show me he is against the teachings of the church. I think the best you can do is show he is against them as you understand them.I have, read the quote how God became God. The law of eternal progression demands obedience and perfection to all eternal laws, when these are masters one becomes a God and has all power, knowledge, glory and dominion that HF has and will do all that he has done, past tense. God is not ignorant he knows all and is all.
JLHPROF Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 God is not ignorantOf course not. he knows allWithin his sphere and is all.Meaningless phrase, unless you refer to importance to his creations.
Teancum Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 1. Michael/Adam is Heavenly Father - of both our bodies and spirits and of Christ.2. Jehovah is Michael/Adam's father (possibly his Savior depending on how we interpret the KFD), but he presides over many Adams, just as Christ who became Jehovah will preside over all of us who "consider ourselves as Adams and Eves".3. Eloheim is the Council of the Gods headed by a being also sometimes called Eloheim, but the council presides over all creations as shown in the temple. That is what Brigham taught precisely. That is what the temple portrays. That is what I believe. And to save time:1. Yes, I know this is not what the Church currently believes.2. Yes, I know Pres. Kimball & Elder McConkie called this heresy.3. Yes, I know pretty much every modern argument against it and every 19th century teaching for it.4. No, this doesn't contradict D&C 110 where Christ is identified as Jehovah, an office he received because of his atoning sacrifice.5. This agrees with the temple, Moses, Abraham, and explains much scripture.Don't tell your bishop. This is what is called apostasy.
JLHPROF Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Don't tell your bishop. This is what is called apostasy. :diablo: I did not like the old man being called up for erring in doctrine. It looks too much like the Methodist, and not like the Latter-day Saints. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be asked out of their church. I want the liberty of thinking and believing as I please. It feels so good not to be trammelled. It does not prove that a man is not a good man because he errs in doctrine. - Joseph Smith Jr. AOF 11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. Edited November 25, 2015 by JLHPROF
KevinG Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Don't tell your bishop. This is what is called apostasy.Not if doesn't teach it in an official capacity. We are allowed to have personal beliefs despite poor anti- Mormon catacatures about the Morg. 4
Teancum Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 :diablo: I did not like the old man being called up for erring in doctrine. It looks too much like the Methodist, and not like the Latter-day Saints. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be asked out of their church. I want the liberty of thinking and believing as I please. It feels so good not to be trammelled. It does not prove that a man is not a good man because he errs in doctrine. - Joseph Smith Jr. AOF 11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.Hey I am just teasing you but really your views are as apostate as mine just on different ends of the spectrum.
Teancum Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Not if doesn't teach it in an official capacity. We are allowed to have personal beliefs despite poor anti- Mormon catacatures about the Morg.Ok then how about so many here who challaneg my spherical views as apostate either stop it or call our friend out on his, I talk about my skepticism here but I don't teach it or hardly talk about it at church or to anyone other than my bishop, SP, my wife and a few close friends. My views are no more apostate than JL's.
JLHPROF Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Hey I am just teasing you but really your views are as apostate as mine just on different ends of the spectrum. "I believe all that God ever revealed, and I never hear of a man being damned for believing too much; but they are damned for unbelief.” - Joseph Smith 1
Randall57 Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Don't tell your bishop. This is what is called apostasy.Every ward has one
Teancum Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 "I believe all that God ever revealed, and I never hear of a man being damned for believing too much; but they are damned for unbelief.” - Joseph Smith Don't complain to me...I don't set the rules. :-)
JLHPROF Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Every ward has one "It mattereth not whether the principle is popular or unpopular, I will always maintain a true principle, even if I stand alone in it." - Joseph Smith 1
Randall57 Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 "It mattereth not whether the principle is popular or unpopular, I will always maintain a true principle, even if I stand alone in it." - Joseph Smith good luck
Ahab Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Stop for a minute and meditate on what he wrote.It blows my mind how I blow some people's mind sometimes. But I suppose at some point in the past I wouldn't have believed some of what I now believe either. We will all continue to learn, I hope. 1
Bobbieaware Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Back to the title of the thread; I imagine a petulant four year old having a temper tantrum screaming out, "BWAAAAAAAAAAH! I WANT MY OWN PLANET! I WANT MY OWN PLANET! I WANT MY OWN PLAAAAAAAAANEEEEEEET! To which the Lord calmly replies, "take Pluto, you little brat." 1
KevinG Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Ok then how about so many here who challaneg my spherical views as apostate either stop it or call our friend out on his, I talk about my skepticism here but I don't teach it or hardly talk about it at church or to anyone other than my bishop, SP, my wife and a few close friends. My views are no more apostate than JL's.That is their issue.
Ahab Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Back to the title of the thread; I imagine a petulant four year old having a temper tantrum screaming out, "BWAAAAAAAAAAH! I WANT MY OWN PLANET! I WANT MY OWN PLANET! I WANT MY OWN PLAAAAAAAAANEEEEEEET! To which the Lord calmly replies, "take Pluto, you little brat."And still it wouldn't be "their own" planet because it would still be our Father's, too, as well as everyone else's who is a joint heir of all that our Father has.And I would "minister" to that brat until he understood that. Such are some "jobs" I expect to be delegated in heaven. 1
ERayR Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Every ward has one Mixed right in there with all those who are too timid to study, ponder and get personal revelation.
Sanpitch Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Has the complications of a person's descendants populating their own planet been discussed here recently, maybe on the "...your own Planet" thread? That thread is too long to check through and see what's there. My siblings are involved in counting my mom and dad's descendants. I try to explain to them that with each generation the descendants are also descended from other parents and the bloodline is diluted till there's only a trace of the original parents. With only a few generations they are descended from hundreds of other parents. The same principal works by looking back at ancestors. So assuming all parties are worthy, their offspring will be on the private planet, but their spouses will also belong to another planet and their offspring will also belong to many other planets. How on Earth is it going to work if the belief in "getting you own planet" is valid at all. To me it's impossible. Unless of course they all marry into the same family without outsiders being involved. That has actually been tried here in Utah with the Kingston cult. They believed that they should keep the bloodline pure and marry their close relatives. One seventeen year old girl was beat by her father because she wouldn't marry or maybe live with her fathers brother. The father wound up in prison as I remember. I'm curious what those who believe in getting their own planet feel about this subject. Ed The more I think about it the more complicated it gets. All worthy sons of the original parents want their own planet, they won't accept a planet owned by dad, so who lives on mom and dad's planet? Edited November 25, 2015 by Sanpitch
ERayR Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Has the complications of a person's descendants populating their own planet been discussed here recently, maybe on the "...your own Planet" thread? That thread is too long to check through and see what's there. My siblings are involved in counting my mom and dad's descendants. I try to explain to them that with each generation the descendants are also descended from other parents and the bloodline is diluted till there's only a trace of the original parents. With only a few generations they are descended from hundreds of other parents. The same principal works by looking back at ancestors. So assuming all parties are worthy, their offspring will be on the private planet, but their spouses will also belong to another planet and their offspring will also belong to many other planets. How on Earth is it going to work if the belief in "getting you own planet" is valid at all. To me it's impossible. Unless of course they all marry into the same family without outsiders being involved. That has actually been tried here in Utah with the Kingston cult. They believed that they should keep the bloodline pure and marry their close relatives. One seventeen year old girl was beat by her father because she wouldn't marry or maybe live with her fathers brother. The father wound up in prison as I remember. I'm curious what those who believe in getting their own planet feel about this subject. "getting your own planet" is an attention grabbing straw man used by critics as an attempt to ridicule Mormon concept of exaltation. Unfortunately all to many members of the Church have bought into it. 2
Tacenda Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 "getting your own planet" is an attention grabbing straw man used by critics as an attempt to ridicule Mormon concept of exaltation. Unfortunately all to many members of the Church have bought into it. Just answer his question ERayR, why don't you do that? I know the people he speaks of, his siblings are my relatives. Sanpitch isn't grabbing a straw man. His siblings are very stalwart members of the church. My mom is his cousin! I love that we connected here on the board. If you met Sanpitch, you'd know he's sincere.
Alan Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 The whole "get your own planet" thing is nonsense so don't worry about it.
Randall57 Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Mixed right in there with all those who are too timid to study, ponder and get personal revelation.So you have people believing Adam is God, others believing he is not, some siding with JFS and SWK, others with BY. Some against LGBT, other for LGBT, some for women and the PH, others not. All under the blanket of personal revelation being the curve for truth. No wonder we are in trouble as a body, we have not real yardstick for truth anymore.
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