Popular Post cinepro Posted September 14, 2014 Popular Post Posted September 14, 2014 We've discussed in the past the idea that Mormons believe that we will get our "own planet". This idea is still being portrayed to packed houses of theater goers in The Book of Mormon broadway musical, and there has been some debate on whether or not this is a valid representation of LDS belief. I recently came across this quote which I had never seen before. It's a teaching from President Lorenzo Snow, as published in this manual. President Snow was visiting a Kindergarten with BY Academy President Brimhall when this happened: “‘President Brimhall, these children are now at play, making mud worlds, the time will come when some of these boys, through their faithfulness to the gospel, will progress and develop in knowledge, intelligence and power, in future eternities, until they shall be able to go out into space where there is unorganized matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the laws and powers of nature, to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods’” (Snow, Improvement Era, June 1919, 658–59). So while I can understand that many LDS don't like the idea or are hesitant to admit it is a "church teaching", I don't think we can argue that anyone who says it is is being disingenuous. 5
Spammer Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Back in the '70s, my patriarchal blessing told me that if I was faithful, "the Lord himself will tutor you in the creation of worlds." 1
ksfisher Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 We've discussed in the past the idea that Mormons believe that we will get our "own planet". This idea is still being portrayed to packed houses of theater goers in The Book of Mormon broadway musical, and there has been some debate on whether or not this is a valid representation of LDS belief. I recently came across this quote which I had never seen before. It's a teaching from President Lorenzo Snow, as published in this manual.President Snow was visiting a Kindergarten with BY Academy President Brimhall when this happened: So while I can understand that many LDS don't like the idea or are hesitant to admit it is a "church teaching", I don't think we can argue that anyone who says it is is being disingenuous. The quote you provided is in line with what the scriptures teach, that gods organize matter in order to provide spirit children with a place to dwell and be proven. There is no mention of "getting your own planet." 3
strappinglad Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 And just what else do you think the faithful will be doing for eternity, playing harps and singing praises? President Snow seems to be saying that the faithful will progress in scientific knowledge. I assume that knowledge would include the emotional, psychological , and even sociological. 1
blooit Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 I believe I may certainly aid in the creation of worlds, but I do not believe they will ever be "my own." 1
JLHPROF Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 I believe exactly what President Snow said - that those children will create worlds for their spirit posterity and hopefully, so will I one day. I think the idea that we will only ever help God with his worlds is the old sectarian protestant belief trying to sneak back in to Mormonism. Pres. Snow also said "As man is now God once was, as God is now man may become". I believe that too. That God was exactly as we are now, and that we can eventually become exactly as God is now, not some kind of assistant to God.
JLHPROF Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) The quote you provided is in line with what the scriptures teach, that gods organize matter in order to provide spirit children with a place to dwell and be proven. There is no mention of "getting your own planet." That's not what the quote said. "to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods" Edited September 14, 2014 by JLHPROF
omni Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 We've discussed in the past the idea that Mormons believe that we will get our "own planet". This idea is still being portrayed to packed houses of theater goers in The Book of Mormon broadway musical, and there has been some debate on whether or not this is a valid representation of LDS belief.I recently came across this quote which I had never seen before. It's a teaching from President Lorenzo Snow, as published in this manual.President Snow was visiting a Kindergarten with BY Academy President Brimhall when this happened:So while I can understand that many LDS don't like the idea or are hesitant to admit it is a "church teaching", I don't think we can argue that anyone who says it is is being disingenuous.I was always uncomfortable with this teaching even as a full believing member. It's clearly been taught and been part of the culture throughout church history that we will be gods over our "own" planet(s). Who here when they were younger didn't discuss with their friends what "their planet" would be like?If this belief is indeed false, then the brethren need to do a better job at correcting it, as it is pervasive throughout the church. Anonymous essays on LDS.org aren't going to do it, clear corrections in GC and church manuals are what's needed IMO.
MormonFreeThinker Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) So while I can understand that many LDS don't like the idea or are hesitant to admit it is a "church teaching", I don't think we can argue that anyone who says it is is being disingenuous. It may be true, but it is not official doctrine. See the definition of official doctrine http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/approaching-mormon-doctrine "Do Latter-day Saints believe that they will “get their own planet”? No. This idea is not taught in Latter-day Saint scripture, nor is it a doctrine of the Church. This misunderstanding stems from speculative comments unreflective of scriptural doctrine. Mormons believe that we are all sons and daughters of God and that all of us have the potential to grow during and after this life to become like our Heavenly Father (see Romans 8:16-17). The Church does not and has never purported to fully understand the specifics of Christ’s statement that “in my Father’s house are many mansions” (John 14:2)."http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormonism-101 "Since that sermon, known as the King Follett discourse, the doctrine that humans can progress to exaltation and godliness has been taught within the Church. Lorenzo Snow, the Church’s fifth President, coined a well-known couplet: “As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be.”43 Little has been revealed about the first half of this couplet, and consequently little is taught. When asked about this topic, Church President Gordon B. Hinckley told a reporter in 1997, “That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don’t know very much about.” When asked about the belief in humans’ divine potential, President Hinckley responded, “Well, as God is, man may become. We believe in eternal progression. Very strongly"https://www.lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng Edited September 14, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker
ERayR Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 We've discussed in the past the idea that Mormons believe that we will get our "own planet". This idea is still being portrayed to packed houses of theater goers in The Book of Mormon broadway musical, and there has been some debate on whether or not this is a valid representation of LDS belief. I recently came across this quote which I had never seen before. It's a teaching from President Lorenzo Snow, as published in this manual.President Snow was visiting a Kindergarten with BY Academy President Brimhall when this happened: So while I can understand that many LDS don't like the idea or are hesitant to admit it is a "church teaching", I don't think we can argue that anyone who says it is is being disingenuous. "This is my work and my glory, to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man". Such activity requires a place to accomplish this goal so it is not unreasonable. What is sad is the concept of salvation that has no idea what happens beyond resurrection. 1
Guest Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 We've discussed in the past the idea that Mormons believe that we will get our "own planet".I am afraid of anyone who wants one!
Popular Post The Nehor Posted September 14, 2014 Popular Post Posted September 14, 2014 I am just disappointed that they think we are so small-minded that we only want one planet. Genghis Khan sought world domination.Emperor Palpatine ruled a galaxy.The Nehor wants more!!!!!!! 7
DarkScythe Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 I am just disappointed that they think we are so small-minded that we only want one planet. Genghis Khan sought world domination.Emperor Palpatine ruled a galaxy.The Nehor wants more!!!!!!! what about the multi verse if not the omni verse. all Sith Lords needs their own multi verse to play in as they please. First the Multi verse then the Omni verse.
Guest Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 I am just disappointed that they think we are so small-minded that we only want one planet. Genghis Khan sought world domination.Emperor Palpatine ruled a galaxy.The Nehor wants more!!!!!!!Well at least it is not "one planet".
ksfisher Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 That's not what the quote said. "to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods"I was commenting on what the scriptures teach, not exactly what the quote said, and commenting that the quote was in line with scripture.
Popular Post mfbukowski Posted September 14, 2014 Popular Post Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) Anyone who thinks that "getting your own planet" is logically equivalent to "organizing worlds" gets an F in my logic class. Edited September 14, 2014 by mfbukowski 9
Guest Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Anyone who thinks that "getting your own planet" is logically equivalent to "creating worlds" gets an F in my logic class.Indeed...
mfbukowski Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Indeed...I edited it to make it more accurate to the actual words, and the edit makes it even more clear, at least to me.
The Nehor Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Anyone who thinks that "getting your own planet" is logically equivalent to "organizing worlds" gets an F in my logic class. Indeed, the former state is singular while the latter is plural. We get many worlds!!!!
Jeanne Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Only one question, but why? I know that I would never want this.
VideoGameJunkie Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Well the whole point of exaltation is to have posterity. There needs to be a place for our posterity. If our posterity shares a world with other people's posterity I do not know, but I believe we at least get to help in the creation of worlds. 2
Bikeemikey Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Is rather my own spaceship, but that's just me.
ERayR Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Well the whole point of exaltation is to have posterity. There needs to be a place for our posterity. If our posterity shares a world with other people's posterity I do not know, but I believe we at least get to help in the creation of worlds. Please reread post # 16.
VideoGameJunkie Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 So I get an F in mfbukowski's logic class? Then what is the point and blessings of exaltation?
ERayR Posted September 15, 2014 Posted September 15, 2014 So I get an F in mfbukowski's logic class? Then what is the point and blessings of exaltation? Read what he says is a false equivalency: Anyone who thinks that "getting your own planet" is logically equivalent to "organizing worlds" gets an F in my logic class. If you think that having your own planet is the point of exaltation you best study some more.
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