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  1. Hi, sorry for the delay. Thanks for your thoughtful reply. What I’m asking is independent of any consideration of aesthetics, personal preference, or hints from heaven here and there - sayings of ‘latter day prophecy’ (how do you sort through which are/aren’t God-sourced?). I think the controversy boils down to what infallible source gets the final say about whether the liturgical reforms promulgated by V2 are licit? I thought the criteria of infallibility were well established in Roman Catholicism, so what’s the basis for disputing V2 if the disputants aren’t Infallibly speaking for God on the matter? It seems it’s vicious circles all around if the bishops and pope in communion meeting in an ecumenical council don’t have the final say.
  2. Hey Rory. You’re very generous but my perspective is worth 2 cents after the inflation adjustment. It seems to me that critics of Vatican 2 consider some elements of Catholic worship, e.g. facing East and silence, to be apostolic, part of the Deposit of Faith, and therefore dogmatic. Yes? My question is who decides whether facing East is apostolic? Is it due to its venerability, perhaps because it can be found in the church fathers? St Basil would agree (see his ‘On the Holy Spirit’ for the earliest patristic reference to it I’m aware of) but he’s 4th century. Who decides Basil is right in every point? He’s one Bishop. What’s the basis for deciding what is and isn’t apostolic in the order of Christian worship? This is precisely what’s at issue I think. Who gets the final say if not the bishops and pope in communion meeting in an ecumenical council?
  3. IMO the controversy boils down to the question of which Magisterium is to be trusted. That which reformed the liturgy following Trent or that which reformed the liturgy at Vatican II? Except there’s really only one Magisterium, not two, and the same authority made both reforms. What’s the basis for deciding when the Magisterium’s decisions about liturgy are or aren’t valid? If the Magisterium can go astray like that, that implies a higher authority, a final arbiter in matters of worship to sort things out. Right? Who is that arbiter?
  4. Matthew 5:48. Am I perfect yet like God is perfect? Do I love others perfectly with no trace of ego? No? Then I’ve done something that needs to be confessed. Only the perfect have nothing to confess.
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