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  1. Not quite the earliest expression of the Eucharist. Here's an earlier one: John 6: 25 When they found Him on the other side of the sea, they said to Him, “Rabbi, when did You get here?” 26 Jesus answered them and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.” 28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work th
  2. Could be. I hope so. I didn't get that sense from our interaction, though. I hope I'm wrong.
  3. My 2 cents: Since MB isn't LDS, she doesn't address LDS temple liturgy directly in her work. There are clear parallels, but her focus is primarily on the temple roots of non-LDS Christian Liturgy, especially Catholic and Orthodox liturgies and the Protestant liturgies that came out of the former. When MB describes parallels with Christian Liturgy in 'The Great High Priest' and 'The Temple Roots of Christian Liturgy,' her focus is on the Catholic/Orthodox temple theology and symbolism found in those ancient churches and still in evidence today: temple, veil, altar, incense, anointing
  4. As someone who grew up LDS and has been in some temples (SLC, Jordan River, Provo, St. George), I'd say there is only one visible crucifixion symbol that I can think of and it wasn't a cross or crucifix. Maybe there are crosses now? (my last proxy session was in the early 90s) I'd agree that the theology informing LDS temple rites is infused with crucifixion symbolism. But the same can be said for Catholic rites. Also, tangible Catholic crucifixion symbols are central to Catholic worship and spiritual practice and are visible in every church and worn by Catholics themselves. As someone who
  5. When discussing the God of Trinitarian Christianity, it's crucial to grasp that Creedal Christians like Athanasius never think of God as a material being. The LDS Heavenly Father is a man, made of matter, a god with a spatial location who experiences the passage of time. Athanasius's God is not a man, is not made of matter, does not have a spatial location and created matter and time. Church fathers like Athanasius therefore knowingly use totally inadequate and inappropriate human language - necessarily, inescapably and inevitably rooted in our material existence and experience - in an effo
  6. There are twelve jurisdictions within the EO communion. The OCA (owner of the website portal linked above) is one of the twelve, but the OCA does not have a parish in Utah, which is why you couldn't find Utah on the list. There are nine churches from various other Orthodox jurisdictions in Utah. Here's a more comprehensive list: http://www.assemblyofbishops.org/directories/parishes?parish=&clergy=&city=&state=51&searchType=parish
  7. No need. I also didn’t mention the Greek and Slavic churches. Eastern Orthodox covers them all. Each of them refers to themselves by their national and common appellation. I did add mention of them to my original post for clarity. Thanks for the suggestion.
  8. The Russian Orthodox belong to Eastern Orthodoxy, along with the other Slavic and the Greek Orthodox churches.
  9. Yes, exactly, and all are ‘Catholic’ and licit in the eyes of the pope. Including the Coptic Orthodox rite you admire. The exact same rite is celebrated by the minority of Egyptian Copts (one of the 23 churches) who are in communion with Rome.
  10. Hi everyone. I've pretty much ended my participation in online conversations due to family reasons, but still check in from time to time. The history of ancient Christianity is fascinating, so I thought I'd add a few points I hope are helpful. It's not commonly understood that all of the churches in the list below should be grouped under a single umbrella - the ancient orthodox Catholic Church that comprised the majority at the 325 ad Council of Nicea. This is the one Catholic Church of the martyrs that rejected Arianism and produced the Nicene Creed. The liturgical practices of this
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