Is It Acceptable To Allow Suicide To Maintain Purity Of Docrine?

[The Nehor]

Well, that makes sense. And just to add, for those ever contemplating, think, tomorrow will be a better day, and just try and get through to it. Do what ever is necessary. Sometimes we think only in the moment.

Procrastination is a sin.

[Tacenda]

Procrastination is a sin.

Ha,ha! 

[fatherofone]

Many people who commit suicide are insane which I believe falls outside of the purview of that scripture.

Excuse me why would you make that sweeping classification that all people who commit suicide are insane, I have had 2 relatives that committed suicide and I can tell you that they were not insane, they had just lost hope, there is a huge difference 

[The Nehor]

Excuse me why would you make that sweeping classification that all people who commit suicide are insane, I have had 2 relatives that committed suicide and I can tell you that they were not insane, they had just lost hope, there is a huge difference

I said many, not all.

As for making sweeping generalizations.....it's what I do. (I put on shades and drive away in my ferrari)

[ALarson]

As for making sweeping generalizations.....it's what I do. (I put on shades and drive away in my ferrari)

This made me laugh.  Thanks, I needed that this morning.

 

Agree with you or disagree with you, Nehor (I have done both), you are quite the presence on here and you make a great contribution.  Your comments are some that I always read.

[Kenngo1969]

Procrastination is a sin.

 

Good thing for me, I'm only an amateur-crastinator, then!

[MorningStar]

Ugh.  I don't think anyone's issues should ever hung over another's head.  My cousin had his surgery a year ago to become a woman and his mom felt like she had to be as supportive as possible so he wouldn't commit suicide.  What happens when he decides he's still not happy?  It's one thing to mock and torment a person, but people aren't responsible for a person's suicide if they don't embrace the choices they make.   

[Calm]

Good thing for me, I'm only an amateur-crastinator, then!

So now you've become a thread resurrector just to get a pun in (insert smiley shaking its head in sorrow and disbelief here)

[VideoGameJunkie]

In the book Beyond Death's Door, it accounts near death experiences and those that try to commit suicide say that the pain doesn't go away in the next life if you've taken your own life. It only causes more problems. People who commit suicide are not at peace.

[katherine the great]

Ugh. I don't think anyone's issues should ever hung over another's head. My cousin had his surgery a year ago to become a woman and his mom felt like she had to be as supportive as possible so he wouldn't commit suicide. What happens when he decides he's still not happy? It's one thing to mock and torment a person, but people aren't responsible for a person's suicide if they don't embrace the choices they make.

True but as a mother I would be there for my child whether or not I embraced his/her choice. That is a tough spot to be in but that bond is the strongest.

[Rob Osborn]

Its not wise for us to ever assume the state of mental health that suicidal people are in or of those who followed through and did commit suicide. We tend to think for them comparing what we think it may feel like and then make judgments. Anyone though who has had mental health issues dealing with suicidal tendencies or know someone who has knows that the terror and extreme mental instability they go through cannot be compared to anything a normal person goes through. I suffer from bouts of depression, anxiety and night terror and it has gotten better over the years as I have learned to counter the effects but at the height and peak of my night terror bouts I knew the only thing that kept me sane was that I didnt own a gun and that I had family very close to me who loved me and because I had Jesus Christ. There were times however that the thread of sanity seemed impossibly thin. Now I do consider myself normal for the most part and have great resolve to overcome my fears and sometimes mental health issues. But to taste, even for a few brief minutes the shear agonizing mental and spiritual anguish of the night terror, and I am left to ponder and even feel sad for those who commit suicide because I believe for many their mental state or spiritual state is in such a position as to see suicide as "truly" the only alternative. We thus should not judge them. We should do more to understand the causes but I think it safe to say that no eternal blessings will be withheld from them based on their acts which they believed was the best outcome for their sanity.

[Duncan]

In the book Beyond Death's Door, it accounts near death experiences and those that try to commit suicide say that the pain doesn't go away in the next life if you've taken your own life. It only causes more problems. People who commit suicide are not at peace.

 

 

why then doesn't God do more to help them out/ Or why do conditions get so bad that suicide becomes their only option in going forward? I'd like to know the answers!

[Kenngo1969]

So now you've become a thread resurrector just to get a pun in (insert smiley shaking its head in sorrow and disbelief here)

I'm an attention hound!

 

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[VideoGameJunkie]

God probably does help them out, but they're not listening. All I can say is that those who commit suicide are still suffering beyond the veil because of their actions. I believe the accounts of the NDEs in "Beyond Death's Door" by Wendy Top.

[Kenngo1969]

Rob Osborn,

 

You deserve more than the one rep point I gave you.

 

-Ken

[MorningStar]

True but as a mother I would be there for my child whether or not I embraced his/her choice. That is a tough spot to be in but that bond is the strongest.

Oh, she was definitely there for him.  She flew to Asia to be there for his surgery even though she is as devout LDS as a person can get.  I just dread the day he has a breakdown and realizes this didn't cure his depression. 

[katherine the great]

Oh, she was definitely there for him. She flew to Asia to be there for his surgery even though she is as devout LDS as a person can get. I just dread the day he has a breakdown and realizes this didn't cure his depression.

Is he an emotionally unbalanced person in general or is he biologically intersexed?

[MorningStar]

Is he an emotionally unbalanced person in general or is he biologically intersexed?

He seems emotionally unbalanced. 

[Duncan]

In the book Beyond Death's Door, it accounts near death experiences and those that try to commit suicide say that the pain doesn't go away in the next life if you've taken your own life. It only causes more problems. People who commit suicide are not at peace.

 

as stated the only way to know that is if people came back from the other side and many suicides don't, which to me tells me that God can spare some people and some people he can't or won't-like why does person A commit suicide and stays dead yet person B does it and comes back from the other side to tell us that suicide isn't solving any problems, is one person somehow better or more needed here or there more so than the other?

[VideoGameJunkie]

I'm not sure, but it's what the book said coming from people who attempted and came back.

[Calm]

Amen, Rob.

[Kenngo1969]

There isn't any "around" when it comes to the problems we face in mortality.  In my opinion, whether it's on this side of the veil or the other side of the veil, and whether we die at our own hand or not, we'll still have to work through those problems.  Joseph Smith said  (paraphrasing) that it will be "a great while" after we've entered the spirit world before we have learned all of the lessons required for us to receive our final judgment and reward.  There will probably be a Huge LDS Family Services Office dedicated to helping us learn some of those lessons. Joseph also said, essentially, that we're resurrected as we are and that we gradually take whatever form an "optimal" (my word) resurrected being takes.  Both of these ideas, I think, account well for the prospect that someone who is suffering from depression, from mental illness, or who died at his own hand doesn't have his burdens lifted immediately upon arriving in the spirit world.

 

That is not, and should not be seen as, a punishment.  It's simply cause-and-effect, which is evident in so many other areas of life.  All of this having been said, I believe God will be as merciful as He possibly can be to someone who dies at his own hand.

[Calm]

I think the biological effects that may lead a person to contemplate suicide will be removed. Other issues that are a result of misguided thinking or incorrect understanding or knowledge will likely need to be corrected. I see the learning process as carrying on in the next life, we aren't suddenly filled with all of God's knowledge.

[Duncan]

There isn't any "around" when it comes to the problems we face in mortality.  In my opinion, whether it's on this side of the veil or the other side of the veil, and whether we die at our own hand or not, we'll still have to work through those problems.  Joseph Smith said  (paraphrasing) that it will be "a great while" after we've entered the spirit world before we have learned all of the lessons required for us to receive our final judgment and reward.  There will probably be a Huge LDS Family Services Office dedicated to helping us learn some of those lessons. Joseph also said, essentially, that we're resurrected as we are and that we gradually take whatever form an "optimal" (my word) resurrected being takes.  Both of these ideas, I think, account well for the prospect that someone who is suffering from depression, from mental illness, or who died at his own hand doesn't have his burdens lifted immediately upon arriving in the spirit world.

 

That is not, and should not be seen as, a punishment.  It's simply cause-and-effect, which is evident in so many other areas of life.  All of this having been said, I believe God will be as merciful as He possibly can be to someone who dies at his own hand.

 

 

that's an interesting quotation, I think the implications are pretty interesting!

[Calm]

that's an interesting quotation, I think the implications are pretty interesting!

That is why it is my signature.