Damien the Leper Posted August 7, 2013 Posted August 7, 2013 I'm gettin' hitched to a Canadian. Woot woot!
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted August 7, 2013 Posted August 7, 2013 I'm gettin' hitched to a Canadian. Woot woot!To a wagon. Sounds painful.
Damien the Leper Posted August 7, 2013 Author Posted August 7, 2013 To a wagon. Sounds painful.Oh how I love your posts, Pa Pa.
Garden Girl Posted August 7, 2013 Posted August 7, 2013 I'm gettin' hitched to a Canadian. Woot woot!I was going to make a quip... but will just say that's great Val...from the beach on a beautiful morning... but leaves beginning to fall already... GG-
Damien the Leper Posted August 7, 2013 Author Posted August 7, 2013 I was going to make a quip... but will just say that's great Val...from the beach on a beautiful morning... but leaves beginning to fall already... GG-He's a wonderful Anglican and I plan to make him swear to never be a BYU fan just to spite me during our vows. Gotta keep blasphemy outta the relationship. ;-)
Damien the Leper Posted August 7, 2013 Author Posted August 7, 2013 I know that reading about a guy marrying another guy isn't easy for LDS people to accept as is. I'm not actually looking for acceptance. I'm just sharing something that means a great deal to me. I am, however, concerned with how my mom and siblings are taking it. We haven't really talked since I told them. But I am trying to be understanding. I'm not really one to flaunt my relationships and I think that by keeping my family out of this part of my life for the last 6 months kinda intensified their emotions.
Darren10 Posted August 7, 2013 Posted August 7, 2013 (edited) I'm gettin' hitched to a Canadian. Woot woot!Happiness to you both!!!Eh? Edited to add: Ummm, oh, it's to a dude? Well, the best of luck. Edited August 7, 2013 by Darren10
Calm Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) I know that reading about a guy marrying another guy isn't easy for LDS people to accept as is. I'm not actually looking for acceptance. I'm just sharing something that means a great deal to me. I am, however, concerned with how my mom and siblings are taking it. We haven't really talked since I told them. But I am trying to be understanding. I'm not really one to flaunt my relationships and I think that by keeping my family out of this part of my life for the last 6 months kinda intensified their emotions.Okay...since you've kind of open the conversation for it...a little advice: I am certain you understand the consequences of what your actions mean when it comes to LDS belief and policies and you are not doing this on an impulse but because you believe it is the right thing to do so there is no need for a lecture outlining all of that. As for the rest with your family....It is going to be tough. It is easier for us as we are 'long distance' and not relatives that have known you all your life and had expectations about you. I can honestly say "I hope you are happy" to everyone because I sincerely hope that people will have lives with as little of unnecessary suffering as possible and it is not my place to make decisions for others. I don't know their experiences or what has led them to where they are so how can I condemn them...and why would I want to? Wishing the best for someone doesn't mean automatic acceptance of every choice they make...I don't even accept all of my own choices as the right ones and I certainly wish only the best for myself, lol.Try to remember that if there is negative stuff that happens with your close friends and family it is because they love you and want you to have happiness and they don't want you to miss out on any blessings and they may be afraid that you won't be happy or that you might not receive them. Fear makes us do very stupid things even while it makes us pretend we are not doing it out of fear to add layers of protection.And work at keeping yourself open to the Spirit so that you will know where God wants to lead you because that will be the best road eventually to pure happiness and joy even if at times it feels like a heartache that will never end. And the Spirit will also help you be patient and forgive others who are less than understanding and help yourself be more understanding of others.You know all this, I am only saying it to remind you to think about it a lot as it should help prepare you for no matter what comes, good or bad. Edited August 8, 2013 by calmoriah 2
Duncan Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 Manitobans!!!!!! holy slurpee capital and Rock and Roll centre of Canada!!!!!! I have heard things about those people 2
EllenMaksoud Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 I know that reading about a guy marrying another guy isn't easy for LDS people to accept as is. I'm not actually looking for acceptance. I'm just sharing something that means a great deal to me. I am, however, concerned with how my mom and siblings are taking it. We haven't really talked since I told them. But I am trying to be understanding. I'm not really one to flaunt my relationships and I think that by keeping my family out of this part of my life for the last 6 months kinda intensified their emotions. I am happy that you are doing something that makes you happy. As to the fact that it is SSA, I do not care to know that. Mostly when people get married, no one asks. I really want to see this whole arena move into normalicy so we can go back to not asking. I might be getting married and do not plan to say anything about who I marry, other than the fact that I will obey him as long as he gives me what I want.
Tacenda Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 Val, you two should go to church, break in a ward. I think more people that meet couples like the two of you, will help break down barriers. Does Arizona recognize SSM as legal? Congrats to you both.
Darren10 Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 Val, you two should go to church, break in a ward. I think more people that meet couples like the two of you, will help break down barriers. Does Arizona recognize SSM as legal? Congrats to you both.You want wards to accept gay marriage?
Darren10 Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) Valentinus;And work at keeping yourself open to the Spirit so that you will know where God wants to lead you because that will be the best road eventually to pure happiness and joy even if at times it feels like a heartache that will never end. And the Spirit will also help you be patient and forgive others who are less than understanding and help yourself be more understanding of others.I completely support Calmoriah's counsel regarding letting the Holy Spirit guide you. As for the second part, I'll tap on the breaks a bit and alter it, were it mine, and say that the Holy Spirit will open your mind and heart to do what is right. While I do want you to be happy and my "best of luck" above is genuine, I will add that "neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man in Christ the Lord". I've no doubt you believe in Jesus Christ and feel great happiness in doing so. I've no doubt your partner believes and feels the same way but being in a homosexual relationship will have its limits in your and his progression in Christ. You cannot progress fully in Christ without a woman, nor can a woman without you except she finds another man. It is man and woman together who progress fully in Christ. A man who denies himself a woman cannot receive "all the Father has", nor can a woman who denies herself a man. It's the nature of our creation and the nature of "becoming God".Take care and God bless. Edited August 8, 2013 by Darren10
Storm Rider Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 Often wanting is much sweeter than having. Our Father has a plan for each of us and I believe you are exactly how our Father intended you to be. I say this with a strong belief his plan may conflict with our desires and passions. True happiness is found in aligning our will with his, an act of submission and sacrifice. Strive daily to find his will. You can only do your best and nothing more. For both of us I remain infinitely grateful for God's mercy. May peace be a constant, guiding companion. 1
Tacenda Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 You want wards to accept gay marriage?Sure, they should accept people regardless. They might not accept it in the temple, but the ward building shouldn't be off limits to a gay couple, should it? Now enough about that, I don't want to take away from Val's announcement. But fear I've said too much.
ERMD Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 I can't express joy over this.I truly feel sorry for you.
Damien the Leper Posted August 8, 2013 Author Posted August 8, 2013 Val, you two should go to church, break in a ward. I think more people that meet couples like the two of you, will help break down barriers. Does Arizona recognize SSM as legal? Congrats to you both.AZ does not. He's an Anglican so I don't know if we will attend an LDS ward. He grudgingly attends an Episcopal parish and the priest is far too liberal for either of our tastes. I'm thinking about asking him if we can do it in Manitoba so that we can accommodate his family since I'm not sure how things will be with my family.
Damien the Leper Posted August 8, 2013 Author Posted August 8, 2013 I can't express joy over this.I truly feel sorry for you.I don't take offense to this. I understand your position. However, don't feel sorry for me. That isn't necessary.I am grateful for the admonitions given by Darren, Calmoriah and Storm Rider. What they have said has been on my mind in the past. Responding to the joy, not mere happiness, of love and companionship comes with its trials and its blessings. I have often prayed about my relationship. I was very apprehensive in the beginning. It took several attempts on his behalf before I agreed to a date. The apprehension was the product of my own insecurities and my inability to love and be loved and to live authentically in accordance to my heart and not as how "status quo" society or institutional structures assert I should.. In studying the scriptures, both personally and academically, I have realized that God's plan, whatever it may be, is beyond the scope of gender and sex. In essence, the Bible is a book about God and not about gender or sex. This is clearly attested to throughout. Not a single one of the 8 verses in the Bible assert a position against homosexuality as past and contemporary conservatives claim. As the Bible is the only book of scripture that I recognize as authoritative, LDS modern revelation and scripture do not apply or hold as valid. I mean absolutely NO disrespect with that comment.
Darren10 Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 Sure, they should accept people regardless. They might not accept it in the temple, but the ward building shouldn't be off limits to a gay couple, should it? Now enough about that, I don't want to take away from Val's announcement. But fear I've said too much.LDS wards already do "accept people regardless". That does not. However, mean that they should accept something as inherently imperiling one's exaltation. Wards are the preparation places for one to enter into the temple. How does accepting homosexual marriage help ward members enter the temple? 1
Darren10 Posted August 8, 2013 Posted August 8, 2013 Valentinus;I honestly do not think it is necessary or even appropriate here and now to make this thread into a "Bible bash", so, with that said I intend to do this one follow up and leave it be for now. The Bible absolutely makes one's salvation gender based. Adam and Eve were created, as were all living things to multiply. I the beginning, Adam had to listen to Eve and then after the Fall Eve had to listen to Adam who had to listen to the Lord. Man and woman need each other to progress fully in Christ. The nature of man and woman is endowed power of creation. That is God's power, or at least, a portion of it. To deny that power is to deny "becoming God" which, in turn, is to deny "all the Father has" for oneself. Keep up your prayers and keep open to the Spirit.Take care and God bless.
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