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And if God reveals them through Patriarchal blessings? Or do you deny there is any revelation in such?

Patriarchal blessings may occasionally pop up that someone is of one of the 10 lost tribes, but that doesn't mean that the tribe as a whole is found, just an individual from the tribe...the tribe is still lost. It's in a similar vein that Judah was offered the Gospel first, but they rejected it so now Ephraim receives it's opportunity, that doesn't mean that occasionally a member of Judah won't accept the gospel, but the tribe as a whole will have to wait till after the restoration of the 10 lost tribes.

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LordUther

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I'd be hesitant to rely to much on the specifics of your patriarchal blessing. How many "you will live to see the second coming of the Lord" blessings were given only to not see realization.

I actually don't know of a single one.

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LordUther

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Read it and you will know...

Patriarchal Blessings and the Routinization of Charisma

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And then there's Oliver Huntington, who was promised that he would "have power with God even to translate thyself to Heaven, and preach to the inhabitants of the moon or planets."

Just read it 7 didn't find one example of a failed patriarchal blessing. They used phrases like "would stand on the earth during the millennial reign. And Wilford Woodruff was told he would stand in the flesh to witness the winding up etc.. There's nothing there that says those things have to happen while they are mortal & there possibly are Saints who have already been resurrected or will be resurrected before the millennium, there was nothing in any of the examples quoted that would lead me to believe they were confirmed unfulfilled.

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The Nehor Grand Master

The Nehor

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I may have to amend my blessing to add a few of those after I get God to agree. I only have one of them right now and was even told I would die before the Second Coming. :(

This topic is why I no longer give blood. I figure my octane is too intense for mere Gentiles and I do not want to discomfit them.

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LordUther Collaborator

LordUther

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I may have to amend my blessing to add a few of those after I get God to agree. I only have one of them right now and was even told I would die before the Second Coming. :sad:

This topic is why I no longer give blood. I figure my octane is too intense for mere Gentiles and I do not want to discomfit them.

My Patriarch must not have got the memo about toning it down because I got a load of cool stuff in my blessing, loads of info about my pre-existence!!

The Nehor Grand Master

The Nehor

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My Patriarch must not have got the memo about toning it down because I got a load of cool stuff in my blessing, loads of info about my pre-existence!!

That is not rare. My informal survey suggests that a third to half of members getting a blessing get some information on premortality.

CA Steve Grand Master

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Just read it 7 didn't find one example of a failed patriarchal blessing. They used phrases like "would stand on the earth during the millennial reign. And Wilford Woodruff was told he would stand in the flesh to witness the winding up etc.. There's nothing there that says those things have to happen while they are mortal & there possibly are Saints who have already been resurrected or will be resurrected before the millennium, there was nothing in any of the examples quoted that would lead me to believe they were confirmed unfulfilled.

6 were promised they would not taste death.

LordUther Collaborator

LordUther

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The example used in the link stated something along the lines "that if you so desire you will have the power to translate..." so the translation was dependent on their wanting it, so unless you can prove that they did die, whilst desiring not to taste death, you cannot prove that blessing failed.

Ahab Grand Master

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6 were promised they would not taste death.

They were talking about being translated, as Moses and Elijah were translated, and even though they didn't taste of death at the time when they normally would have, without our Lord's intervention to translate them, they will still taste death at some point in the future, if they haven't already, before they are resurrected. Until then they are, or were, as angels who can come to and from the world of spirits or heaven to this sphere occupied by us regular mortals who will eventually taste death as all mortals do.
Johnnie Cake Grand Master

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I think this is very plausible that God does change our blood from gentile to the bloodline of Abraham…after all didn’t God change the blood/DNA of our Lamanite brothers and sisters from Semitic blood to Asian blood? What other proof do we need?

The Nehor Grand Master

The Nehor

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I think this is very plausible that God does change our blood from gentile to the bloodline of Abraham…after all didn’t God change the blood/DNA of our Lamanite brothers and sisters from Semitic blood to Asian blood? What other proof do we need?

On the flipside God has not caused the blood of apostates to turn into acid which suggests he forbears in this area.

Calm Grand Master

Calm

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On the flipside God has not caused the blood of apostates to turn into acid which suggests he forbears in this area.

Oh my word, that would cut down drastically on the number of faith crises.
EllenMaksoud Grand Master

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I remember being taught on a couple occasions while growing up that when we enter the waters of baptism that our blood is literally changed to the blood found in the veins of descendants of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

Was that a common belief among the members?

Is it still taught on some level within the Wards and Stakes of the church?

If you believe it, what scriptural reference would you use to justify it?

Thanks!

I remember being taught on a couple occasions while growing up that when we enter the waters of baptism that our blood is literally changed to the blood found in the veins of descendants of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

Was that a common belief among the members?

Is it still taught on some level within the Wards and Stakes of the church?

If you believe it, what scriptural reference would you use to justify it?

Thanks!

Is that similar to the Catholic belief in Transubstantiation?
boulder257 Enthusiast

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Is that similar to the Catholic belief in Transubstantiation?

No. The Mormon doctrine would suggest a physical change in the blood. Transubstantiation states that the substance of the bread is turned into blood. So there is no physical change only a metaphysical change in transubstantiation.

thesometimesaint Grand Master

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It is not a doctrine of the Church.

See; Not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. A single statement made by a single leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, but is not meant to be officially binding for the whole Church. With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four “standard works” of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith. Isolated statements are often taken out of context, leaving their original meaning distorted.

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ERayR Grand Master

ERayR

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No. The Mormon doctrine would suggest a physical change in the blood. Transubstantiation states that the substance of the bread is turned into blood. So there is no physical change only a metaphysical change in transubstantiation.

Rebuttal: This is not LDS (Mormon) doctrine and no LDS do not believe in or teach transubstantiation.

boulder257 Enthusiast

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I misspoke and didn't mean to call it doctrine. I do know the difference. On the other hand, Transubstantiation IS doctrine in the Catholic Church.

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