The Mystery Of Eve

[Calm]

I have a couple of points to make on this subject.

1. Some Adamic stories have Adam as the husband of two wives. Eve, the vituous one, and Lilith the promiscuous one. I would be interested in any information or insight regarding this claim.

How could Lilith be promiscuous if Adam was the only man around?

Lilith was Adam's first wife. She was not a wife at the same time as Eve was:

http://judaism.about...h-Come-From.htm

According to the Alphabet of Ben Sira, Lilith was Adam’s first wife but the couple fought all the time. They didn’t see eye-to-eye on matters of sex because Adam always wanted to be on top while Lilith also wanted a turn in the dominant sexual position. When they could not agree, Lilith decided to leave Adam. She uttered God’s name and flew into the air, leaving Adam alone in the Garden of Eden. God sent three angels after her and commanded them to bring her back to her husband by force if she would not come willingly. But when the angels found her by the Red Sea they were unable to convince her to return and could not force her to obey them.

Edited July 1, 2013 by calmoriah

[Ron Beron]

What just happened to "Lilith"? You introduce her and then she disappears?...

Some Jewish legends refer to her as the over sexualized first wife of Adam and after her departure from the garden became the goddess of fertility among the Mesopotamians. My guess is that she was a Jewish marginalize response to the feminine fertility figure of the Mesopotamians.

Interestingly, this figure was also used as a representation of the Lady of Animals as well as the medieval succubus. Isaiah refers to her as the screech of the great owl at night. The Wiki article is very interesting.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith#Hebrew_text

[Ron Beron]

How could Lilith be promiscuous if Adam was the only man around?

Discreetly... demons and animals.

[Stone holm]

Although I wrote this awhile back it seems germane here...

Wow. That sounds painful, hope some kind of painkiller was used. I prefer Von Daniken's wild speculation about it being a perfect cloning culture which would mean they somehow got Adam's X chromosome to connect with itself I guess, which would literally make him the Father of all living.

[strappinglad]

I'm sure it's just me , but all this is beginning to sound like the storyline for some afternoon soap opera . It would have been nice to have received the whole truth on the matter , but I suspect " we can't handle the truth " .

[Stone holm]

I'm sure it's just me , but all this is beginning to sound like the storyline for some afternoon soap opera . It would have been nice to have received the whole truth on the matter , but I suspect " we can't handle the truth " .

Why would that be?

[strappinglad]

Joseph is noted as saying that he would have liked to have told the saints much more but that they would have shattered like glass and risen up and killed him. I wonder why? I personally like the Genesis story of creation. It is quite clean and natural, even surgical. None of the " made on the back of a giant turtle " type of thing.

[Stone holm]

Joseph is noted as saying that he would have liked to have told the saints much more but that they would have shattered like glass and risen up and killed him. I wonder why? I personally like the Genesis story of creation. It is quite clean and natural, even surgical. None of the " made on the back of a giant turtle " type of thing.

Yep, we all crave a sanitary version of life.

[3DOP]

No. Referring to Constantines making religion the established religion of the Empire and doing so using the sign of the bloody cross as a omen to conquer militarily. Followed by sword point conversion of Europe.

Sometimes I forget that is what a lot of you guys believe. That would have been pretty bad alright. I should have figured that out without making you spell it out.

[Stone holm]

Sometimes I forget that is what a lot of you guys believe. That would have been pretty bad alright. I should have figured that out without making you spell it out.

Correspond with a fair number of Pagans on Pagans and Mormons FB page, and know a few Wiccans personally. So you kind of set yourself up on that. But, have a lot of respect for modern Roman Catholics from my graduate years at Notre Dame. They considered me an interesting curiousity there.

[Questing Beast]

"Lilith, the over sexualized first wife of Adam..."

Bestiality and demon sex in the Garden of Eden? Really? who comes up with this stuff?

If Lilith didn't have those claws on her feet I'd be interested, surely, "over-sexed" and all that; well, and ditch the wings too. Maybe Adam was a bit of a prude....

[Stone holm]

"Lilith, the over sexualized first wife of Adam..."

Bestiality and demon sex in the Garden of Eden? Really? who comes up with this stuff?

If Lilith didn't have those claws on her feet I'd be interested, surely, "over-sexed" and all that; well, and ditch the wings too. Maybe Adam was a bit of a prude....

Or maybe it was Jewish folklore to maintain a patriarchal culture, not that we don't engage in gender stereotyping ourselves.

[volgadon]

The earliest Jewish accounts don't have Lilith as Adam's first wife, but an unnamed woman.

[Stone holm]

The earliest Jewish accounts don't have Lilith as Adam's first wife, but an unnamed woman.

For Heaven's sake how many wives did he have according to the Jews?

[volgadon]

For Heaven's sake how many wives did he have according to the Jews?

Two. The first one was later identified with Lilith.

[BCSpace]

Like Heavenly Mother, we seem to know more about Adam than we do about Eve. The Genesis account after portraying Adam as throwing Eve under the bus over the whole temptation thing pretty much dismisses her. We as Mormons hold her much higher in our esteem for her wisdom and understanding, but we leave a lot of questions unanswered as well. Does anyone here have answers, do we even know the questions?

You should try asking about Lilith.

[Stone holm]

You should try asking about Lilith.

Well Lilith has already come up, specifically what would I ask?

[Stone holm]

Had always heard it was just the subordination issue. Am sure that mother Eve was a fine looking woman.

[Ron Beron]

The real Lilith

[Stone holm]

The real Lilith

You think? Somehow I imagined her somewhat different.

[Ron Beron]

You think? Somehow I imagined her somewhat different.

I'm positive...just ask this man

Edited July 3, 2013 by Ron Beron

[cdowis]

Like Heavenly Mother, we seem to know more about Adam than we do about Eve. The Genesis account after portraying Adam as throwing Eve under the bus over the whole temptation thing pretty much dismisses her.

 

May I suggest that you go to the temple if it has the new video.

[Ahab]

Women seldom even get a name, much less "top billing". It's because "it's a man's world" in the venue of ancient scripture....

Yes it's a  man's world, but it wouldn't be nuthin without a woman or a little girl.

 

Oh yeah eh!

 

Yeah yeah.

 

Oha yeah!

 

(set to music, of course)

[iamse7en]

Like Heavenly Mother, we seem to know more about Adam than we do about Eve.

Oh the irony.

I tell you more, Adam is the father of our spirits ... [O]ur spirits and the spirits of all the heavenly family were begotten by Adam, and born of Eve. ... I tell you, when you see your Father in the Heavens, you will see Adam; when you see your Mother that bore your spirit, you will see Mother Eve. (Manuscript Addresses of Brigham Young, Sunday 10/8/1854)

Eve our common Mother who is the mother of all living bore those spirits in the celestial world. (The Lecture at the Veil, Journal of L. John Nuttall, Tuesday 2/7/1877)

As to the great wedding bro. Orson has been telling us about is nothing more or less than this, Adam's father came to him, saying here is the wife you have had so long, now you are going to have one wife to take with you to yonder earth, and if any of your other wives ever go to an earth to become the mother of all living, to become an Eve, it will be to another earth, not to that one. She is called Eve because she is the mother of all living, and she is the queen of that earth. Adam is the Lord of the earth and the father of all living on this earth, as Eve is the mother of all living on this earth. (Manuscript Addresses of Brigham Young, 8/25/1867)

[cdowis]

Yep, BY really jumped off the cliff with this doctrine.  I have information that it started off as a practical joke, but it then took on a life of its own..