Levels Of Accountability

[Kenngo1969]

... Personally, I wouldn't volunteer to be a General Authority because I'd rather not spend so much time traveling. I'm a homebody and I prefer to spend as much time as I can at home.

That's fine, Elder Ahab. We'll just call you as an Area Seventy, then!

[Stone holm]

Culpable because He did not prevent the murder.

Well, that would make Him culpable for every murder.

[The Nehor]

Well, that would make Him culpable for every murder.

As God could prevent every death.....it is at least failure to render aid.

[Stone holm]

As God could prevent every death.....it is at least failure to render aid.

Yeah that type of thinking caused a fair number of Jews to become atheists after the holacaust.

[Ahab]

I think that the Parable of the Good Samaritan makes it clear that we do have a responsibility for the well being of one another. Alma's explanation of baptism by the Waters of Mormon as well as Alma the Youngers talk witn his son Corianton in Alma 39 would seem to back this up. We're all in this together, we don't go through life alone.

Right, but we're only acccountable for what we do, including how we treat others, not what they do in response to what we do.

[Stone holm]

Right, but we're only acccountable for what we do, including how we treat others, not what they do in response to what we do.

Whatever gave you that idea?

[Ahab]

Whatever gave you that idea?

Intelligence. Think about it some more, thinking about what God will judge you for when he judges you.

Hint: it won't be for what somebody else did.

[Calm]

Hint: it won't be for what somebody else did.

http://biblehub.com/matthew/18-6.htm

"If anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a large millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned at the bottom of the sea.

[tagriffy]

Well, that would make Him culpable for every murder.

That's something that is not resolved in Genesis. Heck, that is something that is not fully resolved at all in Scripture. Scripture records the human experience of God, including the problems. It doesn't really pretend to solutions to all of them.

[Ahab]

Supposing someone could actually cause someone who believes in Christ to sin, the one in big trouble is the one who causes one of his believers to sin. The believers in Christ who sin will still be accountable for their own sins, though, unless they repent, because each person who sins is accountable for his or her own sins, unless they repent.

[Stone holm]

Supposing someone could actually cause someone who believes in Christ to sin, the one in big trouble is the one who causes one of his believers to sin. The believers in Christ who sin will still be accountable for their own sins, though, unless they repent, because each person who sins is accountable for his or her own sins, unless they repent.

Maybe, maybe not. The actions of one person may be of such overwhelming influence as to provide a defence. For example The Lord has assured us so many times that the prophet will not lead us astray, that if a prophet were to lead us astray, I believe that although our actions might be morally wrong, yet we will be deemed justified in the eyes of The Lord.

[Ahab]

Maybe, maybe not. The actions of one person may be of such overwhelming influence as to provide a defence. For example The Lord has assured us so many times that the prophet will not lead us astray, that if a prophet were to lead us astray, I believe that although our actions might be morally wrong, yet we will be deemed justified in the eyes of The Lord.

The prophet will not lead us astray because a prophet by definition is someone who speaks for God and God doesn't lead people astray. A man who acts as a prophet sometimes has a somewhat better chance, but we're suppose to follow what God tries to teach us rather than relying on what is referred to as the arm of flesh.

[Stone holm]

The prophet will not lead us astray because a prophet by definition is someone who speaks for God and God doesn't lead people astray. A man who acts as a prophet sometimes has a somewhat better chance, but we're suppose to follow what God tries to teach us rather than relying on what is referred to as the arm of flesh.

Do you wince a lot while singing some of our hymns?

[Ahab]

Do you wince a lot while singing some of our hymns?

Um, no, I don't think so. If you're talking about the follow the prophet song I'm thinking of someone who is a prophet.

[Calm]

Maybe, maybe not. The actions of one person may be of such overwhelming influence as to provide a defence.

An abused child, for instance, growing up to be abusive him/herself.

[Stone holm]

Um, no, I don't think so. If you're talking about the follow the prophet song I'm thinking of someone who is a prophet.

Ah well have fun in your bubble.

[Ahab]

Ah well have fun in your bubble.

I popped it a long time ago.

[Five Solas]

There are, of course, differing views as to accountability. For example Joseph F. Smith and Talmadge famously disagreed as to the fate of Judas Iscariot and President Kimball when confronted with the question said, "I don't know, and you can quote me on that."

Well, Jesus knew as recorded in John 17. Not a lot of ambiguity there (v. 12 makes explicit, "son of destruction" or "perdition"--KJV). Was Spencer W. Kimball unfamiliar, or is the passage a bit of a fog from the perspective of LDS leadership?

--Erik