Alan Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 I have heard it said by some that President Hinckley made the statement that "all is well in Zion" during general conference a few years ago. Does anyone know if this is true?Obviously, the Book of Mormon warns us to beware of those who say this, and that is why some are flagging it up on various forums. However, I have been unable to find the reference so I suspect it could be one of those urban legends.Can anyone help?
Scott Lloyd Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 I have heard it said by some that President Hinckley made the statement that "all is well in Zion" during general conference a few years ago. Does anyone know if this is true?Obviously, the Book of Mormon warns us to beware of those who say this, and that is why some are flagging it up on various forums. However, I have been unable to find the reference so I suspect it could be one of those urban legends.Can anyone help?Have you tried an Internet search? All of President Hinckley's conference sermons and statements are on line. Or you could challenge those who are making this claim in various fora to document their assertions. This could be a case of misinterpretation or out-of-context quotation. It's not like <that> hasn't ever happened before with regard to Church leaders.
DavidB Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 I have heard it said by some that President Hinckley made the statement that "all is well in Zion" during general conference a few years ago. Does anyone know if this is true?Obviously, the Book of Mormon warns us to beware of those who say this, and that is why some are flagging it up on various forums. However, I have been unable to find the reference so I suspect it could be one of those urban legends.Can anyone help?"All is well in Zion" is not the complete statement, the complete statement demonstrates that people have developed an apathy of sorts towards living the Gospel.For years prior to his death President Hinckley cautioned for frugality and financial independence - with reasonableness towards certain debts. I do recall President Hinckley making what some might take as a doomsday type speaking, but he quickly followed that statement with something along the lines of "don't panic", basically he was cogniscent his words could be taken the wrong way and he wanted to alleivate those fears.
Storm Rider Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 I found nothing of the sort on a search of Hinckley's talks or writings. Sounds like a friendly, kind, sympathetic soul with idle hands has been dreaming of mischief and got carried away. 1
CV75 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 I have heard it said by some that President Hinckley made the statement that "all is well in Zion" during general conference a few years ago. Does anyone know if this is true?Obviously, the Book of Mormon warns us to beware of those who say this, and that is why some are flagging it up on various forums. However, I have been unable to find the reference so I suspect it could be one of those urban legends.Can anyone help?Yes--I recall this statement being made. I'm quite confident that I recall the context was not that "all is well in carnal security" but in that the keys are intact.
Calm Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) If it was stated, it was likely not stated exactly that way as all the references I can find for general conference talks are in the negative sense.I do remember something along the lines of not having fear. Edited February 7, 2013 by calmoriah
CV75 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 If it was stated, it was likely not stated exactly that way as all the references I can find for general conference talks are in the negative sense.I do remember something along the lines of not having fear.President HInckley often spoke of and conveyed great optimism and confidence in the Church and its accomplishments and future. "Things will work out" and so forth.
Bernard Gui Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) I believe it was in one of his talks in the conference after 9/11.[i was wrong]. The closest to it is in his last talk of October, 2001. Edited February 7, 2013 by Bernard Gui
bluebell Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 If anyone searches the phrase "All is well" under conference talks on lds.org, they'll see that the phrase is actually used quite often by GAs (though i couldn't find anything that Pres. Hinckley said that matched the OP, but i didn't go through all the search results).When the phrase is used it always distinguishes between the way it is warned against in the BOM (to illustrate carnal confidence in a less than righteous status quo) and it's use as a term of hope, confidence, and trust in God's will and the Savior's atonement in the face of hardship and trials.Context is everything. 2
Sleeper Cell Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 I found nothing of the sort on a search of Hinckley's talks or writings. Sounds like a friendly, kind, sympathetic soul with idle hands has been dreaming of mischief and got carried away.IIRC, during one general conference Pres. Hinckley said: “And now the Tabernacle choir will sing ‘Come, Come, Ye Saints.’”
Damien the Leper Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 All will be well in Zion when Jesus returns in 20 or 30,000 years.
The Nehor Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 All is well in Zion. Sadly Zion is wherever Enoch is. Now if we could just get a good Zion going.
Ahab Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 All is well in Zion. Sadly Zion is wherever Enoch is. Now if we could just get a good Zion going.Wherever there is anyone who is pure in heart, there is Zion. It's not only where Enoch is.
The Nehor Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 Wherever there is anyone who is pure in heart, there is Zion. It's not only where Enoch is.Zion is a society of the pure in heart; one individual could make a fine citizen in a Zion but alone he or she is not Zion.
Ahab Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 Zion is a society of the pure in heart; one individual could make a fine citizen in a Zion but alone he or she is not Zion.Fortunately there is more than only one person who is pure in heart. We don't all have to be gathered together to be Zion.
The Nehor Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 Fortunately there is more than only one person who is pure in heart. Well, there is me and then there is.....hmmmm.....help me out here.
Ahab Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 Well, there is me and then there is.....hmmmm.....help me out here. ... everyone else who is pure in heart. Surely you know you're not the only one.
semlogo Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 Even if he did say it, I don't think it's worth reading too much into it.
mathonihah Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 I have heard it said by some that President Hinckley made the statement that "all is well in Zion" during general conference a few years ago. Does anyone know if this is true?Obviously, the Book of Mormon warns us to beware of those who say this, and that is why some are flagging it up on various forums. However, I have been unable to find the reference so I suspect it could be one of those urban legends.Can anyone help?I remember him saying it too. The forums claim that he said it in October 1996 Conference; but I haven't been able to find it. It may have been edited out. If I am not mistaken, I think that he said it in relation to the financial situation of the Church. There was a time when the Church was in debt, and remained in debt for many years. Now she isn't. That is a sign of the blessings of the Lord on the Church (and the tithing faithfulness of the members). The members have been blessed as a result, and so has the Church. So from that point of view I suppose you could say "all is well in Zion". But there is an earlier First Presidency message by him in which he shows the right understanding of the Lord's warning in that regard. Here is a quote:To hope for peace and love and gladness out of promiscuity is to hope for that which will never come. To wish for freedom out of immorality is to wish for something that cannot be. Said the Savior, “Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin” (John 8:34).The prophet of the Lord, President Ezra Taft Benson, has clearly spoken on these matters:“The Book of Mormon warns us of the tactics of the adversary in the last day: ‘And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell’ (2 Ne. 28:21).“There are many ‘awake’ passages in the Book of Mormon, such as: ‘O that ye would awake; awake from a deep sleep, yea, even from the sleep of hell ...
The Nehor Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 All will be well in Zion when Jesus returns in 20 or 30,000 years.Bah. Shows what you know. At the turn of the millenium President Hinckley said it would be within the next thousand years. So we can safely say it will be before the. Year 3000.
Damien the Leper Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 In 987 years, the world will still be going. Predicting the 2nd coming is a joke...just ask David Koresh, Harold Camping (Campbell...whatever) or the Apostle Paul and the first century Jewish Jesus Followers.
volgadon Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 In 987 years, the world will still be going. Predicting the 2nd coming is a joke...just ask David Koresh, Harold Camping (Campbell...whatever) or the Apostle Paul and the first century Jewish Jesus Followers.Ironically, also a prediction. =)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks899dP00osMaimonides stated, "I believe with a full heart in the coming of the Messiah, and even though he may tarry I will still wait for him."Shantih, shantih, shantih! 1
The Nehor Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 In 987 years, the world will still be going. Predicting the 2nd coming is a joke...just ask David Koresh, Harold Camping (Campbell...whatever) or the Apostle Paul and the first century Jewish Jesus Followers.Well, who can fault them? I mean it would suck to be the generation when He comes and be loudly insisting the time is far distant making you as wrong as the ones who said it was imminent when they were alive. To be fair I think the end Paul was preaching was the end of the dispensation. The preparation would be the same in both cases.
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