Poaching And Church Discipline?

[Duncan]

If you, and I am not planning on doing this whatsoever, poach out of season can you or should you get into trouble by the Church? if you were caught of course.

[CV75]

If you, and I am not planning on doing this whatsoever, poach out of season can you or should you get into trouble by the Church? if you were caught of course.

I've always found that poaching, whether eggs or salmon, isn't very good without some kind of season, even if only alt, pepper, butter. Custards and puddings require lots of sugar and at least a sprinkle of nutmeg. Yes, if you brought any of that to a pot-luck, you would definitiely get into trouble. And I assure you you would get caught!

[Duncan]

I've always found that poaching, whether eggs or salmon, isn't very good without some kind of season, even if only alt, pepper, butter. Custards and puddings require lots of sugar and at least a sprinkle of nutmeg. Yes, if you brought any of that to a pot-luck, you would definitiely get into trouble. And I assure you you would get caught!

cute, very cute!

[bluebell]

Haha at CV75

I'm guessing that whether or not breaking the law equals church discipline depends on the crime. I have no idea what level poaching is, so i couldn't even guess.

Personally, i feel pretty harshly about poachers, unless it's to keep your family alive or something. Many poachers though are out for antlers/horns or just like the thrill of killing and leave the meat to rot either way. That's pretty low-life in my opinion.

[DavidB]

If you, and I am not planning on doing this whatsoever, poach out of season can you or should you get into trouble by the Church? if you were caught of course.

what crimes do you think a person should self report OR that another member should report?

BTW, I agree with Bluebell.

[Saints Alive]

Does it make a difference if you poach in season? I know that prisoners are not allowed to take sacrament but I don't know if that is always because of church discipline. I think the answer is: it depends.

[Duncan]

Haha at CV75

I'm guessing that whether or not breaking the law equals church discipline depends on the crime. I have no idea what level poaching is, so i couldn't even guess.

Personally, i feel pretty harshly about poachers, unless it's to keep your family alive or something. Many poachers though are out for antlers/horns or just like the thrill of killing and leave the meat to rot either way. That's pretty low-life in my opinion.

friends's dad some years ago and a buddy of his got caught hunting bear out of season, charged, arrested and jailed. They were planning on selling off parts to various other lowlifes. I was talking earlier to someone about this and was wondering, like you broke the law, if you hadn't gotten caught other crimes would have been commited but nothing happened to him

[Duncan]

what crimes do you think a person should self report OR that another member should report?

BTW, I agree with Bluebell.

it was on the news and in the paper!

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

If you, and I am not planning on doing this whatsoever, poach out of season can you or should you get into trouble by the Church? if you were caught of course.

Bishops are busy enough...not unless you tell, and I am sure you would be told; "go thy way and sin no more".

[Hamba Tuhan]

Where you live, is poaching a violation of criminal or civil law. In most cases, we don't impose church discipline for infractions of civil law -- speeding in a car, parking illegally, overstaying a visa, etc. It's not spelt out in the handbook, but in my stake we've been instructed to interview any member arrested for or charged with a criminal act.

[Saints Alive]

Just FYI, speeding and illegal parking are not violations of civil law. Civil law is about dispute resolution.

[Hamba Tuhan]

Maybe this also depends on where one lives? Regardless, one can violate a whole range of laws without committing a crime. Where I live, this would include speeding, parking illegally, overstaying one's visa, etc.

[Saints Alive]

It does depend a whole lot on jurisdiction.

[Nathair/|\]

Haha at CV75

I'm guessing that whether or not breaking the law equals church discipline depends on the crime. I have no idea what level poaching is, so i couldn't even guess.

Personally, i feel pretty harshly about poachers, unless it's to keep your family alive or something. Many poachers though are out for antlers/horns or just like the thrill of killing and leave the meat to rot either way. That's pretty low-life in my opinion.

Spoken like a true Montanan.

[Storm Rider]

Sin is never secret and we never evade the need for repentance.

[CV75]

If you, and I am not planning on doing this whatsoever, poach out of season can you or should you get into trouble by the Church? if you were caught of course.

I do feel that during the Millennium, poaching would have Church disciplinary consequences in light of the Millennial laws being good, sound laws and presumably in the best interests of keeping D&C 59:16-21 (especially verse 20).

For the time being, priesthood leaders would have to assess a person's spiritual worthiness in terms of the temple recommend questions and whatever handbook instructions allow in terms of criminal offenses, and not specifically focus on the poaching.

[ERMD]

Partly depends on whether or not the individual holds a prominent position in the Church and publicity could harm the Church's reputation in the community.

[Duncan]

Partly depends on whether or not the individual holds a prominent position in the Church and publicity could harm the Church's reputation in the community.

what about if they have held some such calling?

[rpn]

Yes you can be, but you probably won't be: for the most part church discipline comes for crimes where there is criminal intent.

[Duncan]

Yes you can be, but you probably won't be: for the most part church discipline comes for crimes where there is criminal intent.

if you have a hunting license wouldn't you know that you're breaking the law by hunting out of season? IIRC he flipped on his friend and got his license taken away and paid a hefty fine, something like that anyways

[blackstrap]

When they pass a law that says I cannot have a 'sugary drink' because it is bad for me and the state wants only the best for me, then

be assured,that I will break such a law without the least remorse or guilt!

[Duncan]

When they pass a law that says I cannot have a 'sugary drink' because it is bad for me and the state wants only the best for me, then

be assured,that I will break such a law without the least remorse or guilt!

that reminds me I need to get a diet pepsi today! hee hee!

Edited December 4, 2012 by Duncan

[Nathair/|\]

I do feel that during the Millennium, poaching would have Church disciplinary consequences in light of the Millennial laws being good, sound laws and presumably in the best interests of keeping D&C 59:16-21 (especially verse 20).

For the time being, priesthood leaders would have to assess a person's spiritual worthiness in terms of the temple recommend questions and whatever handbook instructions allow in terms of criminal offenses, and not specifically focus on the poaching.

I was taught that during the Millennium, we wouldn't be killing for our food anyway, so there wouldn't be much point to poaching.

[rpn]

Violating the law has never been the same as criminal intent, or criminal mind, which requires some measure of evilness: not just mala prohibitum (bad because we make it bad), but malum in se (bad because it is inherently bad). See mens rea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

Edited December 5, 2012 by rpn

[Duncan]

Violating the law has never been the same as criminal intent, or criminal mind, which requires some measure of evilness: mens rea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

doesn't poaching violate we believe in honoring and sustaining the law?