UtahTexan Posted June 24, 2015 Posted June 24, 2015 On Sunday, I am giivng my first talk since 1986 2
Garden Girl Posted June 24, 2015 Posted June 24, 2015 On Sunday, I am giivng my first talk since 1986 So, did they give you a specific topic? GG
UtahTexan Posted June 24, 2015 Posted June 24, 2015 How the Book of Mormon Changed and Changes my life
Garden Girl Posted June 24, 2015 Posted June 24, 2015 How the Book of Mormon Changed and Changes my life Any initial thoughts rolling around you'd like to share? GG
UtahTexan Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 ok...living in Salt Lake now. Unpacked. Today went to "This is the Place Heritage Park". Monday.....job hunting starts 4
Kenngo1969 Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 Have you contacted the J. Reuben Clark Law Society yet? http://www.jrcls.org/ 2
Kenngo1969 Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) I just joined it...thanksDo more than that, though, sir: Reach out to your local chapter's officers and say, "Hey, I just relocated here and I need a job. How can you help me with that?" And I assume you've already been in contact with your local Bishop and Ward Employment Specialist, respectively? (I know you probably have. Just makin' sure you cover all your bases. Candidly, one of the things [though by no means the only thing] that has handicapped me in my own legal occupational pursuits is that I didn't do enough bridge- and relationship-building when I was in law school because I was too damn worried about my grades, of which, candidly, it can probably be said, weren't helped much, if at all, by all that worrying.) However, for whatever little this may be worth, if you're interested in a particular firm, perhaps I can see if there are any graduates of the S.J. Quinney College of Law (the "U's" law school) among its ranks who were contemporaries of mine. I'm not sure how good any "good words" from me are going to be since I'm not practicing, and I may get one of these ( ) if I call and say, "Hey, this is Kenngo1969," (I can always say, "OK, so you think I'm a schlub, and you're probably right, but the guy I'm calling about has a quarter-century of practice under his belt ... ;)") but if you'd like me to put a good word in here or there, I can certainly try. Best wishes. Edited July 15, 2015 by Kenngo1969 3
Kenngo1969 Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 On Sunday, I am giivng my first talk since 1986 How the Book of Mormon Changed and Changes my life Any initial thoughts rolling around you'd like to share? GGWe want to know how your talk went, Bro!
Tacenda Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 You and Country Boy should meet, Kenngo. Maybe go to FairMormon! You could talk legal stuff.
Guest Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 I feel like the biggest fool. Here I am, 51 years old. I am a managing attorney. I was an officer in the Army. I am used to making decisions and sticking with them. I do not waffle. Yet, here I am. I am pulled so much to the LDS Church, but so many issues keep me away. I love the present LDS Church, but have many issues with the past. I love what appears to be current doctrines (or most of them), but have problems with older doctrines (or what they appear to be).All I want to do is be where God wants me. Some days it almost seems like it is tearing me apart. Not sure why I posted this. I expect folks will mock me, but there it isNone will mock...at whatever time in your life you received confirmation from the Holy Spirit that the Gospel was true, God already knew all that you would learn and know in your life. With the sometimes perplexing questions and answers that come as we mature; even still God our Father knows, and he would not deceive you then or now.
UtahTexan Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) My talk went very well. I had many many folks compliment it. One person said he wanted to applaud. I made three main points: The Book of Mormon is a Second Witness. And, as a litigator, I have never lost a trial where I had 2 witnesses. second, the Book of Mormon is a Love Letter from God. I explained how and why I thought that. third, I discussed how my son was diagnosed with dyslexia. His form is that he only sees and hears words that have pictures. If I say, The car by the house under the tree, all he sees or hears is: car, house, tree". He then has to guess at the rest. Often, he guesses incorrectly. I said that the Christian World is religiously dyslexic. That is why there are thousands of different denominations all teaching different things from one book (the Bible). The are missing stuff. So, they have to guess. They guess incorrectly. However, the Book of Mormon and the Prophet cures Religious Dyslexia. That was my talk. Edited July 16, 2015 by CountryBoy 2
UtahTexan Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 My current Bishop would like me to give that talk in my SLC ward in August. 2
Dgal Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 My talk went very well. I had many many folks compliment it. One person said he wanted to applaud. I made three main points: The Book of Mormon is a Second Witness. And, as a litigator, I have never lost a trial where I had 2 witnesses. second, the Book of Mormon is a Love Letter from God. I explained how and why I thought that. third, I discussed how my son was diagnosed with dyslexia. His form is that he only sees and hears words that have pictures. If I say, The car by the house under the tree, all he sees or hears is: car, house, tree". He then has to guess at the rest. Often, he guesses incorrectly. I said that the Christian World is religiously dyslexic. That is why there are thousands of different denominations all teaching different things from one book (the Bible). The are missing stuff. So, they have to guess. They guess incorrectly. However, the Book of Mormon and the Prophet cures Religious Dyslexia. That was my talk.Sounds great! The only thing that I find not very compelling, though, in all honesty, is that the Book Of Mormon is an affective second witness. There is only 15.3-ish million members in a world of 6+ BILLION people. It's not a very affective missionary tool, IMO. That troubles me to know end. I remember how Pres. Benson harped on using the BoM and reading it. He was a great advocate of it's importance. I think it is very affective when it comes to strengthening the already devout members of the church. But as far as spreading the Gospel? Not so much based on our conversion rate. Just my observations based on what we are told in General Conference
Kenngo1969 Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 You and Country Boy should meet, Kenngo. Maybe go to FairMormon! You could talk legal stuff. I don't know if I would be able to make it to FAIRMormon because I work nights and weekends, but I definitely wouldn't mind meeting. I'm game if he is, if he'd like to explore the possibility.
UtahTexan Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 Sounds great! The only thing that I find not very compelling, though, in all honesty, is that the Book Of Mormon is an affective second witness. There is only 15.3-ish million members in a world of 6+ BILLION people. It's not a very affective missionary tool, IMO. That troubles me to know end. I remember how Pres. Benson harped on using the BoM and reading it. He was a great advocate of it's importance. I think it is very affective when it comes to strengthening the already devout members of the church. But as far as spreading the Gospel? Not so much based on our conversion rate. Just my observations based on what we are told in General Conference Well..the talk was how it helped ME. And one way was as a second witness.
UtahTexan Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 I don't know if I would be able to make it to FAIRMormon because I work nights and weekends, but I definitely wouldn't mind meeting. I'm game if he is, if he'd like to explore the possibility. But, of course.....
Kenngo1969 Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 But, of course.....I'll PM you in the next day or two.
UtahTexan Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 What issues keep you away None now...after 25 years, I came back
Dgal Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 Well..the talk was how it helped ME. And one way was as a second witness.Oh, ok. I took it as a more general statement about the impact of the Book of Mormon.
Avatar4321 Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 Sounds great! The only thing that I find not very compelling, though, in all honesty, is that the Book Of Mormon is an affective second witness. There is only 15.3-ish million members in a world of 6+ BILLION people. It's not a very affective missionary tool, IMO. That troubles me to know end. I remember how Pres. Benson harped on using the BoM and reading it. He was a great advocate of it's importance. I think it is very affective when it comes to strengthening the already devout members of the church. But as far as spreading the Gospel? Not so much based on our conversion rate. Just my observations based on what we are told in General ConferenceI think the Book of Mormon is amazing second witness. The problem is convincing people to study it.Might be profitable to review those chapters from the lessons a few months ago. 1
Stargazer Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Sounds great! The only thing that I find not very compelling, though, in all honesty, is that the Book Of Mormon is an affective second witness. There is only 15.3-ish million members in a world of 6+ BILLION people. It's not a very affective missionary tool, IMO. That troubles me to know end. I remember how Pres. Benson harped on using the BoM and reading it. He was a great advocate of it's importance. I think it is very affective when it comes to strengthening the already devout members of the church. But as far as spreading the Gospel? Not so much based on our conversion rate. Just my observations based on what we are told in General Conference Not to be a grammar or spelling Nazi or anything, but that's "Effective" not "Affective". "Affective" is of course a real word, but it doesn't mean "effective". Sorry, you stepped on my writer's toe. Conversion has to involve the Book of Mormon, there's just no two ways about it. But Pres. Benson wanted to "flood" the earth with the Book of Mormon, and I don't think that happened. I believe we fell far short of doing what he asked -- maybe we put more emphasis on it than previously, but that wasn't what he meant, or what the Lord meant thru him. There have been some who have made a point of handing out copies to friends and relatives, but only relatively few have done so. And a personal connection with a person who gives out the book has a lot more going for it than some kind of unconnective distribution, like a TV ad for a free copy. The gap has to be bridged somehow, and a personal relationship seems necessary. I do wonder what would happen if I had a billion dollars and used it to mail a copy of the BoM to everyone home in the United States. Along with some explanatory material, too. How many converts would result? I'd guess not too many. There's a million Bibles in hotels, courtesy of The Gideons, but I don't know how effective that has been either.
Nevo Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Pres. Benson wanted to "flood" the earth with the Book of Mormon, and I don't think that happened. I believe we fell far short of doing what he asked. I don't know. When I was a missionary in Chile in the 1990s, I saw more Book of Mormons lying discarded in the street than any other book. And they are ubiquitous in used bookstores and thrift shops. In 2011, the Church announced that it had printed the 150 millionth copy of the Book of Mormon. I think the earth needs less "flooding" with printed Book of Mormons with more attention paid to, as you say, creating the right conditions for people to actually want to read it. It's a tough sell, frankly. The book is not an easy read even for highly literate people and its theological content is quite remote from contemporary concerns. Edited July 21, 2015 by Nevo
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