UtahTexan Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 I have to disagree with the idea that opposition is a form of evidence. I oppose radical Islam. That should not be taken as some sort of evidence that it's true.They may be afraid of what you may say or your style. But again, that, in and of itself is not evidence of what is true. Who knows, maybe it's the style you employ, and less of what you have to say, that was the issue.We have to be very careful as to what we use as evidence of what is true and what is not true.I actually got that line about opposition from a show on BYU TV re: The Book of Mormon. I liked it
Dgal Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 I actually got that line about opposition from a show on BYU TV re: The Book of Mormon. I liked itBy the reasoning of that show, that makes the Koran true because it, too, faces opposition.
UtahTexan Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 By the reasoning of that show, that makes the Koran true because it, too, faces opposition. Does it? Then don;t use that line. I like it.
Dgal Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Does it? Then don;t use that line. I like it.Yes, it does.Glad you like it.I don't. I find it faulty.
UtahTexan Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Yes, it does.Glad you like it.I don't. I find it faulty. yes...I get that. I have an advanced degree and understand English. You have made your point. I find it suits me. thanks
UtahTexan Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Wow. Today, with the Bishop's permission, I bore my testimony. It was the first time I have attended a Fast and Testimony with a testimony intact since the summer of 1989. And it is the first time I have borne my testimony in 25-26 years. I feel so abundantly blessed. Edited March 29, 2015 by CountryBoy 4
UtahTexan Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Wow....what a difference..... Posted 26 October 2011 - 08:57 PMI feel like the biggest fool. Here I am, 51 years old. I am a managing attorney. I was an officer in the Army. I am used to making decisions and sticking with them. I do not waffle. Yet, here I am. I am pulled so much to the LDS Church, but so many issues keep me away. I love the present LDS Church, but have many issues with the past. I love what appears to be current doctrines (or most of them), but have problems with older doctrines (or what they appear to be).All I want to do is be where God wants me. Some days it almost seems like it is tearing me apart. Not sure why I posted this. I expect folks will mock me, but there it is Posted Today, 03:09 PMWow. Today, with the Bishop's permission, I bore my testimony. It was the first time I have attended a Fast and Testimony with a testimony intact since the summer of 1989. And it is the first time I have borne my testimony in 25-26 years. I feel so abundantly blessed. 3
bluebell Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Thank you so much for sharing your journey with us! 2
UtahTexan Posted March 31, 2015 Posted March 31, 2015 I read this verse today and was like, "This is me!" 2Nephi 26:13 2
Ham Clam Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 He made a post about how the splintering of the LDS Church proved it false. I made the exact same argument about the Catholic Church...using the same arguments. So, he stated he had reported me.....That's not a real debate board then, more of a "reinforce my Religion board." 1
UtahTexan Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 That's not a real debate board then, more of a "reinforce my Religion board." Yes. It is odd. One can say almost anything about the LDS Church (I know, I used to be one of the Catholic posters) and get away with it. But, if you repost it, changing LDS to Catholic, it is bad. The fact my post was reported to get me suspended was humorous. The guy did not want to debate or discuss, he wanted to pontificate.
saemo Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) That's not a real debate board then, more of a "reinforce my Religion board." Some people see what they want to see. The starting point of the post being discussed, was about how the LDS church claims the splintering of Christianity is a sign of the apostasy, while, the LDS church itself is splintered. To which the response was, look at your own church first. Which, addresses nothing about the LDS claim and doesn't make sense, as Catholics don't view splintering as a sign of an apostasy. It isn't the Catholics using the other board to "reinforce my Religion". Edited April 1, 2015 by saemo 1
UtahTexan Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 Some people see what they want to see. The starting point of the post being discussed, was about how the LDS church claims the splintering of Christianity is a sign of the apostasy, while, the LDS church itself is splintered. To which the response was, look at your own church first. Which, addresses nothing about the LDS claim and doesn't make sense, as Catholics don't view splintering as a sign of an apostasy. It isn't the Catholics using the other board to "reinforce my Religion". Yes...and my point was, "if Catholics claim the splintering of the LDS was an apostasy, then the Catholics are, by their admission, in Apostasy. My response was not appreciated. I was suspended for saying the same thing about the Catholic Church that the Catholic poster about the LDS Church. T And yes, the Catholics use that board to reinforce.
saemo Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 Yes...and my point was, "if Catholics claim the splintering of the LDS was an apostasy, then the Catholics are, by their admission, in Apostasy. My response was not appreciated. I was suspended for saying the same thing about the Catholic Church that the Catholic poster about the LDS Church. T And yes, the Catholics use that board to reinforce. The OP presented the POV of the LDS, not a Catholic. It is the LDS view of apostasy that condemns itself. You didn't address this, you avoided it, and proceeded to derail the thread to addressing an argument that was never made. The same argument that you are addressing here, and that argument was never made. 1
UtahTexan Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 The OP presented the POV of the LDS, not a Catholic. It is the LDS view of apostasy that condemns itself. You didn't address this, you avoided it, and proceeded to derail the thread to addressing an argument that was never made. The same argument that you are addressing here, and that argument was never made. I turned the argument around using the same premise as the OP. I can understand your dislike of that.
saemo Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 You didn't turn it around, you avoided and created a new argument of your own that no one made. For the sake of transparency, let's inform your unwitting audience here, that you were once banned at CAF while posting as a Catholic, convinced the moderator there to un-ban you, and have been suspended more than once, while posting as a Catholic. You're style has indeed, not changed, you've just replaced "Mormon" with "Catholic", and numerous individual posters at CAF called you out on being uncharitable. Myself, I could care less what your style is as long as you are presenting facts and truths. Use theatrics, I don't care! Just don't play the victim when you know that is not what you are. 1
ChristKnight Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) Some people see what they want to see. The starting point of the post being discussed, was about how the LDS church claims the splintering of Christianity is a sign of the apostasy, while, the LDS church itself is splintered. To which the response was, look at your own church first. Which, addresses nothing about the LDS claim and doesn't make sense, as Catholics don't view splintering as a sign of an apostasy. It isn't the Catholics using the other board to "reinforce my Religion". This will be my only comment on this, just for the record (and perhaps the LDS posters can see that we're all being played, IMO): Indeed. His argument made no sense since Catholics do not make the claim that was being discussed (nor could he provide an example of a Catholic claiming such a thing in support of his thesis, further rendering it illogical). One can also see in the actual thread that no single poster was ever stated as being reported. What was stated was that, "I encourage everyone to please remain on the actual topic of the thread (the moderators have been alerted and will handle off topic derailing and trolling)." If CountryBoy/TexanKnight believes that this is referring to himself, then perhaps he recognizes that he was doing something against the rules, and that the moderators agreed that he was doing something against the rules, in addition to the Catholic bashing in that thread and others. As well, one can notice there that many Catholic posters were simply turned off by his severe debasing of the LDS faith while he was posting as a Catholic (and he was suspended more than once, as a Catholic poster, for his bashing of LDS posters personally and the LDS faith in general). He recently sent me this message here, which I found hurtful, ""you should not have been so afraid of me. Your fear was all I needed to know about your idea of truth....." He is in my prayers, and I wish him well on his journey. Edited April 1, 2015 by ChristKnight
Ham Clam Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) Oh drama, thy name is internet.Matt Fradd, from Catholic Anwsers, had an interview with Bill Reel some time ago. That is my comment on the bottom, but I've changed my mind on what I said by now.When he said, "I know", I kind of laughed a little though because that's a phrase everyone wants to get rid of in our part of the woods.I'm not sure what to make of the CAF yet. I'll have to re-evaluate it. Pretty nasty comments from people on Matt Fradd's site though on Mormon topics and other controverisal topics. Edited April 1, 2015 by Ham Clam
UtahTexan Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 You didn't turn it around, you avoided and created a new argument of your own that no one made. For the sake of transparency, let's inform your unwitting audience here, that you were once banned at CAF while posting as a Catholic, convinced the moderator there to un-ban you, and have been suspended more than once, while posting as a Catholic. You're style has indeed, not changed, you've just replaced "Mormon" with "Catholic", and numerous individual posters at CAF called you out on being uncharitable. Myself, I could care less what your style is as long as you are presenting facts and truths. Use theatrics, I don't care! Just don't play the victim when you know that is not what you are. I can see you still dislike truth. I simply changed it around...and was reported by those afraid of me.
UtahTexan Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) This will be my only comment on this, just for the record (and perhaps the LDS posters can see that we're all being played, IMO): Indeed. His argument made no sense since Catholics do not make the claim that was being discussed (nor could he provide an example of a Catholic claiming such a thing in support of his thesis, further rendering it illogical). One can also see in the actual thread that no single poster was ever stated as being reported. What was stated was that, "I encourage everyone to please remain on the actual topic of the thread (the moderators have been alerted and will handle off topic derailing and trolling)." If CountryBoy/TexanKnight believes that this is referring to himself, then perhaps he recognizes that he was doing something against the rules, and that the moderators agreed that he was doing something against the rules, in addition to the Catholic bashing in that thread and others. As well, one can notice there that many Catholic posters were simply turned off by his severe debasing of the LDS faith while he was posting as a Catholic (and he was suspended more than once, as a Catholic poster, for his bashing of LDS posters personally and the LDS faith in general). He recently sent me this message here, which I found hurtful, ""you should not have been so afraid of me. Your fear was all I needed to know about your idea of truth....." He is in my prayers, and I wish him well on his journey. I believed it was me because it was in response to me. I bashed no one. I simply turned the tables and you got offended. Yes...I debated the LDS Church vigorously. Many Catholics praised me. Many are now sad of my conversion. I recently had my "Road to Damascus" Moment. Like Paul who persecuted, I have asked for forgiveness. As I stated on the Catholic Board, I was wrong. Yes..you messaged me, I responded. Your fear was all I needed to know. My journey is back to the truth. Since you are posting messages, let's do it all. You stated one main reason you left the LDS Church is the Priesthood Ban on African Americans and that you are of that race. You are apparently willing to forgive the actions of the Catholic Church, but hold the ban against the LDS Church. Please, let us refrain from posting each other's messages. Edited April 1, 2015 by CountryBoy
UtahTexan Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 This is my thread of my journey of my joy of arriving home. The need for Catholics to debate me here speaks volumes.
UtahTexan Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) Back to the topic.... The Stake has requested my records. I should meet with the Bishop and Stake President next week....after my return from Salt Lake. Edited April 1, 2015 by CountryBoy
saemo Posted April 1, 2015 Posted April 1, 2015 This is my thread of my journey of my joy of arriving home. The need for Catholics to debate me here speaks volumes.Not debating, but keeping it real. Which should help you on your journey. If reality doesn't assist your journey, that should say something.
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