MustardSeed

I certainly don’t want more directives from human beings.. There’s too much personal opinion in such directives and we are all different. I’m not critical of them so much as I am critical of folks who hang on every word and expect everybody to do the same

Exactly. I’m not one to hang on every word of the 12. I listen and consult with God, and make my path. It would be confusing otherwise.

I’m surprised by this comment. I’m more D leading than R but even I have instincts to ignore his opinions. By the way I’m a great granddaughter to the Snelgrove ice cream founder- AND a life long member of the Church of a Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints - what can you trust about me? (Nothing. I dislike ice cream)

I wonder if he’d finance health care for someone who is overweight.

A real gift is knowing what the other wants and offering when it’s not my cup of tea. imo

I bought a coffee maker for when my kids visit. They appreciate not having to drive 20 min to the nearest town every morning.

I purchase ice cream for my husband but I don’t eat it because it’s unhealthy. It feels fine to me to do so.

When men want women to depend on them financially my thoughts go to women I know whose husbands let them down, via divorce or death or tragedy or just plain bad luck. Men can tell me what they think I should do as a woman but I’ll say thanks anyway and live my life the way God and I see fit. I don’t care how other people live, that’s your life. One proclamation of lifestyle and roles is not a fit for all humans. It’s not the same as “don’t sleep with your neighbors wife” or “don’t rob banks”. Onward.

It’s interesting. I had a dinner guest Monday who announced at dinner that he did not believe in the moon landing. I asked him if he was a flat earther (brilliant minds thinking alike here lol ) and he said no. My reply was, I do believe we landed on the moon, but if it came to the point of proof it didn’t happen, I’d be so unsurprised.

My cheap 2cents- The emotional reaction that doesn’t seem to fit the situation indicates that there’s something deeper going on for her. There’s only one way to find out and that’s by having a conversation with her. If she was previously partnered with an alcoholic, my wild guess would be there’s something there. She may perceive that now the floodgates have opened with the decision to pay for alcohol for your kids meals and she may fear where that is going. She may have been simply triggered by seeing the alcohol on the counter. To me, without any information, discovering by surprise out that my husband purchased alcohol would be jarring to me, and that I have always felt safe in our sobriety.

We all should follow the chastity rule whether we are gay or straight or otherwise. Zero sex outside of marriage. I don’t think anyone needs to debate this on an LDS forum. And yet, here we are. I don’t see anyone arguing against you on this point. I’m glad we agree on this as well.

I don't know what you are referencing here. I have not presented by "life experience ... as an example of righteousness against" anyone Then I’m glad we agree.

We all should follow the chastity rule whether we are gay or straight or otherwise. Zero sex outside of marriage. I don’t think anyone needs to debate this on an LDS forum. The rule to never marry a same -gender -as -you person does not carry the same weight for you a hetero as it does someone who is gay. So your life experience, and mine, is irrelevant and should not be held up as an example of righteousness against someone who is designed differently. IMO.

We attach ourselves so tightly to traditions that even when our traditions are pried from cold dead hands we refuse to speak to what is happening. why are we like this? Is it because we are highly defensive due to generational abuse from the outside? I imagine so. so many testimonies I’ve heard are in part based on this very tradition. My guess is if it was changed it would rattle a lot of older generations cages for a few reasons- older people don’t appreciate getting put out to pasture or watching it be done to others simply due to a number. Then there’s the lifelong belief that God will not steer his prophets wrong, and since all prophets had been put in place decades previously, we can trust that what is meant to be is meant to be. My brain doesn’t need that reassurance these days- but what it does need is accountability. ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️

LDS bishops refer to LDS therapists . Private practice providers licensed or not will have freedom to try to push their own agendas . There are PLENTY of LDS or other Christian’s who believe homosexual orientation is a choice and is a sin. And there is a lot of unethical and yes twisted therapy out there .

As a licensed therapist, I’ve had plenty of parents, all of them LDS bring their children into me in hopes that I will correct their religious non belief or their “same sex attraction” (their homosexuality is what I call it). Sometimes I’ll sit with these kids. But of course I don’t do any conversion work. I always make it clear to parents that I don’t do conversion work. They are always shocked. Aren’t you a member of the church??? they ask. The kids don’t last long with me because I was reported to the parents that there’s nothing wrong with the kid. The kids often will come to me later as they have grown older and know that they can trust me, and that I understand their religious background. I’m neither a liberal nor conservative. I’m just a person who is disgusted with the world for all sorts of reasons. But I’m safe for anybody to talk to. And I will never do conversion therapy. It’s really damaging. If somebody comes into me and says they’re trying to figure out what they’re attracted to, what they believe, what they value , I will help them come to know their own mind. I think that’s what we all want need and deserve.

I personally know so many parents who, unlike you are legitimately homophobic. They are cruel. If these type of parents have children who confess to “ same-sex attraction” , what has happened in the past is that these parents will search out conversion therapists. Conversion therapists will try to therapize (not a word) the gay out of the child. We understand now, and the church acknowledges, that the gay cannot be analyzed away. Rather, the shame is drilled in through the therapeutic process. It does significant damage to the individual, obviously.

Twisted parents will see this as an opportunity. Good luck kids!

I’m shocked. As GD teacher, this will be very interesting- enough time to teach a single concept and then we out. Hmmmm- well now that women can ring the bell, we return to the need for it 😂

I can’t imagine that being marked incorrect, from any point of view.

What do you think?

Not sure how this might be a challenge, like at all. Finding subs is what we do constantly in primary callings and we’ve been doing that forever. I think many men (Bishops etc) are capable of handling this very (imo) non issue change. It’s only a big deal because it’s been one way forever. But in practice, it’s so (imo) nothingburger.

I do understand, from an outsiders perspective- 1. we send out missionaries and we also baptize the dead so people might think we want everyone, dead or alive, to be Mormons- 2. We can be heard to say consistantly “this is gods only true church” , this combined with missionary efforts to baptize can appear like we believe Mormonism is the only saving grace. I’ve never baptized or converted a single person into The COJCOLDS. But I have helped many people dive deeper into their own faith, religious based or otherwise, and that feels amazing because I know that they, (along with sister jones from my church) will be eager to accept all of Christs ways and doctrines AND ORDINANCES as needed.

Exactly what I was saying. Anybody who follows Christ will be following Christ. It will be his church. I really doubt anybody will be saying “ I told you so”

Yes. The church has made big changes. No they won’t discuss. And when Christ returns we will all be in His church, there won’t be another. We just keep doing best we can.