Nevada temple problem

[longview]

3 hours ago, rockpond said:

So today, out of curiosity, I looked up its height.  It is 90 feet tall... less than half the height of the proposed Lone Mountain temple.

I also attend the Denver temple. There is a noticeable rise in elevation when approaching from University Boulevard (about two blocks). So the Denver temple may already be on a prominence 50 to 100 feet higher than the surrounding area.

The freeway (C-470) is also at a higher elevation than land on either side. So that makes it that much easier for freeway drivers to see the temple.

[webbles]

4 hours ago, rockpond said:

Last night I was at the Denver Temple.  It's been "my temple" for over two decades now.  It's beautiful.  The spire can be seen clearly from the freeway, even with homes and businesses sitting between it and the freeway.

So today, out of curiosity, I looked up its height.  It is 90 feet tall... less than half the height of the proposed Lone Mountain temple.  What happens inside the temple isn't impacted in the least by the height of the spire.  I don't understand why we keep making enemies with our temple designs.  We are well equipped to create beautiful temples that represent and honor our God without needing to exceed the municipalities height recommendations.

I was curious what the height requirements are for the zone that the Denver Temple is located in.  Per the zoning map at https://www.centennialco.gov/Maps-Open-Data/Centennial-Maps/Zoning-Map, it is in NC9 zone.  The requirements for that zone are listed at https://www.centennialco.gov/Government/Departments/Community-Development/Zoning#section-7.  Maximum height listed is 30ft.  So the Denver Temple exceeds the height allowed.  It was built back in 1986 so maybe the zone rules have changed.  Or maybe religious structures are allowed to ignore the height requirement.  Or maybe steeples ignore the height requirement.  Or maybe the church received a waiver to exceed the height requirement.

[bluebell]

On 6/8/2024 at 3:27 PM, rockpond said:

Last night I was at the Denver Temple.  It's been "my temple" for over two decades now.  It's beautiful.  The spire can be seen clearly from the freeway, even with homes and businesses sitting between it and the freeway.

So today, out of curiosity, I looked up its height.  It is 90 feet tall... less than half the height of the proposed Lone Mountain temple.  What happens inside the temple isn't impacted in the least by the height of the spire.  I don't understand why we keep making enemies with our temple designs.  We are well equipped to create beautiful temples that represent and honor our God without needing to exceed the municipalities height recommendations.

Were there no protests over the building of the Denver temple?

[Amulek]

On 6/8/2024 at 4:27 PM, rockpond said:

What happens inside the temple isn't impacted in the least by the height of the spire. 

I agree. However, just because the architectural design of a temple isn't the most important thing doesn't mean that it isn't an important thing.

 

Edited June 11, 2024 by Amulek

[morgan.deane]

On 6/8/2024 at 7:03 PM, webbles said:

I was curious what the height requirements are for the zone that the Denver Temple is located in.  Per the zoning map at https://www.centennialco.gov/Maps-Open-Data/Centennial-Maps/Zoning-Map, it is in NC9 zone.  The requirements for that zone are listed at https://www.centennialco.gov/Government/Departments/Community-Development/Zoning#section-7.  Maximum height listed is 30ft.  So the Denver Temple exceeds the height allowed.  It was built back in 1986 so maybe the zone rules have changed.  Or maybe religious structures are allowed to ignore the height requirement.  Or maybe steeples ignore the height requirement.  Or maybe the church received a waiver to exceed the height requirement.

A reminder: From what I understand about Las Vegas code, as reported in the Las Vegas Review Journal, they do not include the steeple for purposes of height. So the proposed Lone Mountain Temple is 65 or 85 ft (I forget) according to the city.  

[LoudmouthMormon]

Whamma-lamma-ding-dong!

Las Vegas City Council unanimously votes to pass proposed Lone Mountain LDS temple

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LAS VEGAS (KLAS) — The Las Vegas City Council unanimously voted 7-0 to pass a proposed Church of Latter Day Saints temple that has been the center of controversy from residents in the area.

 

Someone summed it up like this: 

In a 7-0 vote, the Las Vegas City Council unanimously approved the proposal for the Lone Mountain Nevada Temple yesterday, following months of community debate. Church representatives agreed to lower the height of the originally proposed 216-foot steeple to 196 feet to avoid a Federal Aviation Authority mandate for a blinking red light at the top of buildings that are over 200 feet tall. The 70,194-square-foot temple will be built on a 20-acre site along with a 15,982-square-foot meetinghouse, a 1,807-square-foot grounds building, and a 1,800-square-foot pavilion.

 

 

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2 hours ago, LoudmouthMormon said:

Whamma-lamma-ding-dong!

Las Vegas City Council unanimously votes to pass proposed Lone Mountain LDS temple

 

Someone summed it up like this: 

In a 7-0 vote, the Las Vegas City Council unanimously approved the proposal for the Lone Mountain Nevada Temple yesterday, following months of community debate. Church representatives agreed to lower the height of the originally proposed 216-foot steeple to 196 feet to avoid a Federal Aviation Authority mandate for a blinking red light at the top of buildings that are over 200 feet tall. The 70,194-square-foot temple will be built on a 20-acre site along with a 15,982-square-foot meetinghouse, a 1,807-square-foot grounds building, and a 1,800-square-foot pavilion.

 

 

If it's a federal mandate to have a blinking light on buildings over 200 feet tall, then why don't more temples have them?  The Layton temple spire tops out at 215 and I haven't noticed a blinking red light on top of it.

(Not calling anyone a liar, just trying to figure out how that statement works with the evidence).

 

[ZealouslyStriving]

8 minutes ago, bluebell said:

If it's a federal mandate to have a blinking light on buildings over 200 feet tall, then why don't more temples have them?  The Layton temple spire tops out at 215 and I haven't noticed a blinking red light on top of it.

(Not calling anyone a liar, just trying to figure out how that statement works with the evidence).

 

How close is it to an airport?

[Calm]

14 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

How close is it to an airport?

This was my thought. 

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40 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

How close is it to an airport?

 

25 minutes ago, Calm said:

This was my thought. 

That would make sense, if that's what it's connected to.  I think the closest airport is 19 miles away in ogden (via roads.  As the crow flies it's probably a little closer).  The Hill Air Force Base is 2.6 miles from the temple but I'm not sure if that counts.

[ZealouslyStriving]

11 minutes ago, bluebell said:

 

That would make sense, if that's what it's connected to.  I think the closest airport is 19 miles away in ogden (via roads.  As the crow flies it's probably a little closer).  The Hill Air Force Base is 2.6 miles from the temple but I'm not sure if that counts.

Vegas has Harry Reid International and North Las Vegas airports.

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2 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Vegas has Harry Reid International and North Las Vegas airports.

We're about 20 miles from the SLC international airport as the crow flies, but it's so close to the mountain I'm sure the temple is not in any flight paths.

[Okrahomer]

4 minutes ago, bluebell said:

 

That would make sense, if that's what it's connected to.  I think the closest airport is 19 miles away in ogden (via roads.  As the crow flies it's probably a little closer).  The Hill Air Force Base is 2.6 miles from the temple but I'm not sure if that counts.

Here is a reference to the CFR.  It seems the requirement has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis and has a lot to do with proximity to flight paths.

[Doctor Steuss]

14 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Vegas has Harry Reid International and North Las Vegas airports.

There are also the Henderson Executive Airport (which services Vegas too), Ivanpah Valley Airport, and while not an "airport"... Nellis Airforce Base.  Even though all of them are pretty far from the proposed site, flight paths in the valley are pretty wild and get revised constantly.

For my work, there's an airport noise disclosure that we have to issue.  About 6 years ago, we finally gave up on having to update it constantly, and had to basically revise it to "planes and helis fly all over the place in the valley -- might not be noisy today, but will be noisy tomorrow, here's a website... godspeed."

[LoudmouthMormon]

Well, whatever the regulations, everyone can now rest easy knowing that there will be no aircraft crashing into the temple, because the steeple will be 20' less tall than it would have otherwise been.

[longview]

Helicopters could be a concern but temples have sufficient lighting to obviate the need for the red light. Even in the middle of the night.

[Amulek]

15 hours ago, longview said:

Helicopters could be a concern but temples have sufficient lighting to obviate the need for the red light. Even in the middle of the night.

Helicopters generally operate at an elevation of 1,000 feet at night, so the only time they would be below 200 feet is if they were landing or crashing. 😮 

 

[ZealouslyStriving]

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/east-las-vegas-lds-temple-faced-similar-opposition-to-lone-mountain-temple-3098201/