bsjkki Posted September 17, 2023 Posted September 17, 2023 I read through them. Criticism of their ‘bumbling’ missions. The airline one seems like they were scammed. And an article about a closed investigation.
Calm Posted September 17, 2023 Author Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) Can someone with a brain explain this data to me please? Why the “D” rating? https://db.ministrywatch.com/ministry.php?ein=463614979 This I understand: Quote Name Title Compensation Brad Damon President $566,550 Tim Ballard Founder and CEO $546,458 Simon Brewer Chief Financial Officer/Chief Operating Officer $400,350 Nathon Lewis Chief Development Officer $309,083 Emily Evans Chief Communications Officer $290,167 Jerry Gowen Chief Experience Officer $281,706 Alessandra Serano Chief Legal Officer $281,400 Jeff Carter Chief E-Commerce Officer $268,258 Marc Reynolds Board of Directors $4,800 Edited September 17, 2023 by Calm
Damien the Leper Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 A little late... Still no legitimate comparison on destination speculation concerning Dan and TB. At best, we have Dan's detractors and critics pontificating and foaming at the mouth. Meanwhile, TB just keeps digging a hole deeper for himself. 1
bsjkki Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) So. The only thing that presents Ballard’s name is a super secret white board meeting that was reported on in 2021 alluding to the investigation that has since closed. The meeting occurred in 2019. So, why now? In all his public speeches, events, interviews does he name drop or fundraise off the association? President Ballard and him were friends and the church did write articles about him. They did not shy away from the association until now. I’ve learned from watching trials that only listening to the prosecution is detrimental to the ‘truth.’ All evidence needs to be challenged and witnesses must be cross examined. So, he may be bad guy. This all may be justified. But, I find it odd this statement was made at this time in this way by the church against a member in good standing. It is against the norm. Edited September 18, 2023 by bsjkki 1
Smiley McGee Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Calm said: Can someone with a brain explain this data to me please? Why the “D” rating? https://db.ministrywatch.com/ministry.php?ein=463614979 This I understand: Click the link to “show donor confidence score details”. They detail the criteria and results. Edited September 18, 2023 by Smiley McGee 1
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 1 hour ago, bsjkki said: It would be interesting to see all the evidence. I’ve seen so many ‘rumors’ online. But I guess we should all just know Tim is a really bad dude and shun him. What else to conclude after that church statement. Right? There have been a number of people deeply concerned with this organization’s practices for years. Mostly coming from experts at fighting human trafficking. What they revealed of their methods and approach have been disappointing. Everything is about celebrity and publicity. In essence this is the equivalent of a charity that fights world hunger but does so by staging a big feast with some malnourished people showing to get a meal and the charity getting a photo op. Then they leave and just set up their next opportunity. 4
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, bsjkki said: I’ve learned from watching trials that only listening to the prosecution is detrimental to the ‘truth.’ All evidence needs to be challenged and witnesses must be cross examined. His rebuttal video is in the thread.
Calm Posted September 18, 2023 Author Posted September 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, Smiley McGee said: Click the link to “show donor confidence score details”. They detail the criteria and results. You aren’t going to hold my hand and walk me through it? 😢
Calm Posted September 18, 2023 Author Posted September 18, 2023 35 minutes ago, Smiley McGee said: Click the link to “show donor confidence score details”. They detail the criteria and results. Thank you, that was helpful and will be when I get to the next bit. I just realized that link is proof Saints are officially considered Christians by Evangelicals, since OUR is listed on a Christian Ministry site…which is kind of odd in my view, but okay. 1
Commonsense Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 Does anyone really think that church leaders would go to Vice to make a statement. I think this is fake news.
SeekingUnderstanding Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Commonsense said: Does anyone really think that church leaders would go to Vice to make a statement. I think this is fake news. That’s funny. Everyone from the church owned Deseret News, to right wing Glenn Beck have confirmed the accuracy of the church statement. And the church didn’t reach out to Vice news. The opposite in fact. 3
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Does anyone really think that church leaders would go to Vice to make a statement. I think this is fake news. It is incorrect. Vice asked the Church if they wanted to comment on the story and they did. Then the Church released a statement. Since you throw around the “fake news” term should we be concerned that you are going to start claiming that the Church’s public relations team is in on the conspiracy? Or does it go ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP?!?!?!?!?! Edited September 18, 2023 by The Nehor 3
Tacenda Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 2 hours ago, smac97 said: I hope you can give this some further consideration. The Church isn't in the business of "ending Senate aspirations." It did not choose the timing of its public statement. VICE did. And it didn't incite or ratify the alleged conduct by Tim Ballard (in which he purportedly misappropriated Pres. Ballard's name). Please just take a step back and consider which is more likely, that A) Pres. Ballard and the Church have pivoted to a politically activist posture, and have initiated that pivot by derailing the political aspirations of one of the members of the Church, or B) that the member of the Church, Tim Ballard, did actually "betray" his friendship with Pres. Ballard "through the unauthorized use of President Ballard’s name for Tim Ballard’s personal advantage and activity regarded as morally unacceptable"? Now, I grant that there may be a third option, namely, that C) Pres. Ballard has been duped, that Tim Ballard did not make "unauthorized use of President Ballard’s name for Tim Ballard’s personal advantage and activity," but that Pres. Ballard has somehow been persuaded through misinformation. Is that what you think has happened here? If so, how do you account for the information/evidence cited in the VICE article? Thanks, -Smac Not to make this a Trump piece, just a correlation sort of. I remember when the Deseret News was not in favor of Trump after it came out with him being filmed saying he'd grab a woman by her private parts. I thought for sure after that Utah voters wouldn't have anything to do with him. But turns out Utah was one of the highest states to vote for him. Well now we have Tim Ballard being denounced, and he's in with Glenn Beck who recently was mentioned as possibly being a running mate with Trump as vice president. All I see coming is members of the church totally becoming ballistic over this latest action by the church and digging in their heels, and I truly see Ballard making senator if he runs. That's how it rolled with Trump supporters, and so I see it continuing. And I remember how members of the church were upset when Pres Nelson asked members to get the Covid shot. That didn't go well at all. I see this being the same thing. I believe there will be members who rebel over it, they will be seething over it.
Commonsense Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 The way the statement was released just seems fake.
SeekingUnderstanding Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Commonsense said: just seems fake. How can you argue with that! Edited September 18, 2023 by SeekingUnderstanding 2
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, Commonsense said: The way the statement was released just seems fake. Facts don’t care about your seemings. 2
Calm Posted September 18, 2023 Author Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Commonsense said: The way the statement was released just seems fake. It was very weird, I agree. I didn’t believe it when I first heard about it either even though I believed Ballard is probably dicey before this came out. But they identified the person who issued the statement and he is the Director of Media Relations for a decade, iirc; a number of other news organizations also got it, including ksl and Deseret news…who probably have a hot line for double-checking something is correct from church PR; and last, Glen Beck called up his friends in high places because he too thought it was fake, and found out it was real and appears to be quite pissed about it. If timing goes by a historic pace, I predict we will get a clarification (if it is coming) from the newsroom in 2 to 5 days. Edited September 18, 2023 by Calm
Derl Sanderson Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 Pretty funny, Ben! (actually I did think that was funny).
Derl Sanderson Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 Just now, Derl Sanderson said: And BenShapiro makes an appearance (pretty funny, Nehor!) 13 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Facts don’t care about your feelings.
Tacenda Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 This just came up. Interesting to say the least. May even be the reason attorney Troy Rawlings was investigating, and why Pres Ballard has put out the denouncement. It may explain the very swift condemnation of Tim. But it could be like reporter Packer mentioned at the first, the accusers are nameless, but still watching so more info is to come.
webbles Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 34 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Not to make this a Trump piece, just a correlation sort of. I remember when the Deseret News was not in favor of Trump after it came out with him being filmed saying he'd grab a woman by her private parts. I thought for sure after that Utah voters wouldn't have anything to do with him. But turns out Utah was one of the highest states to vote for him. Well now we have Tim Ballard being denounced, and he's in with Glenn Beck who recently was mentioned as possibly being a running mate with Trump as vice president. All I see coming is members of the church totally becoming ballistic over this latest action by the church and digging in their heels, and I truly see Ballard making senator if he runs. That's how it rolled with Trump supporters, and so I see it continuing. And I remember how members of the church were upset when Pres Nelson asked members to get the Covid shot. That didn't go well at all. I see this being the same thing. I believe there will be members who rebel over it, they will be seething over it. Utah had actually the lowest percentage of the states that Trump won https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Results_by_state 2
juliann Posted September 18, 2023 Posted September 18, 2023 On 9/15/2023 at 12:22 PM, smac97 said: I don't think anyone accused me of violating board rules. The "consensus" was about the propriety of me speculating about Dan possibly being on a path out of the Church (as Judd put it: "that it was highly inappropriate to speculate on their faith and motivations"). Huh? I was answering someone else's question about board rules. It had nothing to do with you.
Calm Posted September 18, 2023 Author Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) Did this get posted? https://www.fox13now.com/news/fox-13-investigates/lds-church-takes-down-articles-referencing-tim-ballard-and-his-nonprofit Sorry if this is your video, Tacenda. I don’t usually watch videos these days, not for long at least . Hearing is wonky. Edited September 18, 2023 by Calm
Calm Posted September 18, 2023 Author Posted September 18, 2023 Glenn Beck has deleted the tweets about Ballard. Anyone hear why?
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