Martin Luther on polygamy

[Hamilton Porter]

"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter."

Edited April 8, 2023 by Hamilton Porter

[Pyreaux]

Unless the authority is the US, and you ex post facto Roman laws and customs to persecute a religion...

Did you only just find this? I think they quote this in Daniel Peterson's Offenders for a Word, and it also includes a Catholic quote thinking of it as a way to prevent the King Henry the VIII from getting divorced. If we are heretics for polygamy, some major Christian churches flirted with heresy.

Edited April 8, 2023 by Pyreaux

[Hamilton Porter]

1 hour ago, Pyreaux said:

Unless the authority is the US, and you ex post facto Roman laws and customs to persecute a religion...

Did you only just find this? I think they quote this in Daniel Peterson's Offenders for a Word, and it also includes a Catholic quote thinking of it as a way to prevent the King Henry the VIII from getting divorced. If we are heretics for polygamy, some major Christian churches flirted with heresy.

Yeah I just found this. On a Muslim YouTube channel no less.

[Jaydes]

One of the several unfortunate and downright evil and satanical things that Luther said. 

[Anakin7]

On 4/7/2023 at 10:06 PM, Hamilton Porter said:

"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter."

Reference ?.

[Hamilton Porter]

47 minutes ago, Anakin7 said:

Reference ?.

 

[Teancum]

On 4/8/2023 at 1:06 AM, Hamilton Porter said:

"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter."

Yea and so?  Why should I trust his ideas anymore than I do Joseph Smith's, David Koresh's or Warren Jeff's?  But really if consenting adults want to do polygamy more power to them. Just don't pretend God is telling you to do it.  Cause he ain't. 

Edited April 9, 2023 by Teancum

[Hamilton Porter]

1 hour ago, Teancum said:

Yeas and so?  Why should I trust his ideas anymore than I do Joseph Smith's, David Koresh's or Warren Jeff's?  But really if consenting adults want to do polygamy more power to them. Just don't pretend God is telling you to do it.  Cause he ain't. 

God told me yesterday to practice polygamy. And go to Greece to get my second wife.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Hamilton Porter said:

God told me yesterday to practice polygamy. And go to Greece to get my second wife.

Make sure to write off the flight to Greece as an “in kind” donation to the church.

[MustardSeed]

I sense Hamilton enjoys stirring the board up. 

[Hamilton Porter]

11 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

I sense Hamilton enjoys stirring the board up. 

No that was just a sarcastic comment. No one knows what God has told me.

[JLHPROF]

4 hours ago, Teancum said:

Just don't pretend God is telling you to do it.  Cause he ain't. 

Pretty presumptuous to claim to know that God didn't answer someone else's prayers with a revelation just because you disagree.

But then we all have to do that I suppose.  There's a LOT of falsely claimed revelation in the world.  Can't fault you for that I guess.

[MustardSeed]

You have my full support then.  Who are we to get in the way of Gods direction for you. 

[Stormin' Mormon]

12 hours ago, Jaydes said:

One of the several unfortunate and downright evil and satanical things that Luther said. 

 

 

Edited April 9, 2023 by Stormin' Mormon

[The Nehor]

12 hours ago, Jaydes said:

One of the several unfortunate and downright evil and satanical things that Luther said. 

I talked to my husband and my wife and they both say that Martin Luther is a putz.

[Teancum]

6 hours ago, Hamilton Porter said:

God told me yesterday to practice polygamy. And go to Greece to get my second wife.

I am happy for you.  Better let your bishop know so he can boot our butt out of the church.  Or your SP.

[Teancum]

3 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Pretty presumptuous to claim to know that God didn't answer someone else's prayers with a revelation just because you disagree.gic.

It is all a matter of trust, reason and logic.  I doubt you think God is directing Warren Jeffs and the FLDS to do polygamy.

3 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

But then we all have to do that I suppose.  There's a LOT of falsely claimed revelation in the world.  Can't fault you for that I guess.

Ok. Thanks Just take it one step further. 

[JLHPROF]

22 minutes ago, Teancum said:

It is all a matter of trust, reason and logic.  I doubt you think God is directing Warren Jeffs and the FLDS to do polygamy.

Ok. Thanks Just take it one step further. 

If that one step is no actual revelation I can't ever do that.  I'd be lying.

[Hamilton Porter]

On 4/8/2023 at 3:20 AM, Pyreaux said:

think they quote this in Daniel Peterson's Offenders for a Word,

Peterson is an expert on Islam. He was probably piggybacking off Muslim apologists.

[mrmarklin]

8 hours ago, Teancum said:

Yea and so?  Why should I trust his ideas anymore than I do Joseph Smith's, David Koresh's or Warren Jeff's?  But really if consenting adults want to do polygamy more power to them. Just don't pretend God is telling you to do it.  Cause he ain't. 

OK. You don’t believe. Know what?  Your opinions are meaningless. Why are you here?

 

[mrmarklin]

On another note, nothing in the Bible prohibits polygamy. The BoM states it should not be practiced and AFAIK the Nephites did not do polygamy. Of course Latter Day scriptures endorse the idea, and it was practiced until it went against the law of the land here in the US.  It’s likely SCOTUS would allow it today. But so far, no movement from Church leadership. It’s unlikely in my lifetime. But then, I’m fairly old. 

[Hamilton Porter]

52 minutes ago, mrmarklin said:

On another note, nothing in the Bible prohibits polygamy. The BoM states it should not be practiced and AFAIK the Nephites did not do polygamy. Of course Latter Day scriptures endorse the idea, and it was practiced until it went against the law of the land here in the US.  It’s likely SCOTUS would allow it today. But so far, no movement from Church leadership. It’s unlikely in my lifetime. But then, I’m fairly old. 

A law professor at UPenn said the church doesn't want to touch polygamy with a ten foot pole.

 

[Pyreaux]

9 hours ago, Teancum said:

But really if consenting adults want to do polygamy more power to them. Just don't pretend God is telling you to do it.  Cause he ain't. 

Really? In a secular universe, I'd think the will of God to be the equivalent to the forces of nature. Polygyny systems are present in many of the larger and advanced mammals (elephants, lions, gorillas) in choosing the more advanced males and increasing fitness and reproductive success of the best is highly advantageous for his progeny and their survival. If I was a highly successful male, and I said I felt some force in me that compels me to practice polygyny, I find it presumptuous to tell me there is no force that told me to, and that this force cannot be God.

[Calm]

3 hours ago, mrmarklin said:

AFAIK the Nephites did not do polygamy.

Why would Jacob condemn them for doing it if they weren’t doing it?

[Calm]

3 hours ago, mrmarklin said:

Your opinions are meaningless. Why are you here?

By that standard so are everyone else’s, so why are you here?