Atlantic article on teen depression.

[The Nehor]

20 hours ago, SwedishLDS said:

In the end, the gospel is the solution to all the worlds problems.

The solution takes a very long time.

[Rivers]

2 hours ago, Fether said:

I would suggest this may not be true. I think the minority celebrating LGBTQ is just louder than the majority that doesn’t. I may be wrong though. I just know LGBTQ students at my local high school are still bullied a lot.

maybe they are bullied just  as much as everyone else, but they just feel they are picked out of the crowd because of their LGBTQ status? 

Bullying has always been a thing in schools.  Maybe it’s the way kids deal with bullying that’s the problem.

Edited April 15, 2022 by Rivers

[The Nehor]

8 minutes ago, Rivers said:

Bullying has always been a thing in schools.  Maybe it’s the way kids deal with bullying that’s the problem.

Not enough punching of bullies.

[SwedishLDS]

3 hours ago, The Nehor said:

The solution takes a very long time.

indeed, I feel you, but I think we can all be part of communities that do a lot of good.

Make more friends, be a light on the hill

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Not enough punching of bullies.

haha, schools are to soft on bullies. Fight back.

6 hours ago, carbon dioxide said:

Social acceptance really has little to do with dealing with depression.   Many famous people have all the money and acceptance in the world but they deal with depression and some kill themselves.  Depression can be caused by many things including chemical issues on the brain.   Leaving the church might make some people happier but for most people, the cause of their problems is not the church but something else.  That does not change by turning in a resignation letter.

indeed, there is no magic quick fix that people look for. Transitioning won’t fix your depression.

 

I think confusing children about their gender is very dangerous and it concerns me how early in ages people transition often with parents that actively encourage them to do so. Puberty blockers is such a terrible thing. Non binary, bisexual, etc, people are adapting so many labels.

Before the recent enthusiasm for early social transition and the Dutch-protocol treatments, most patients diagnosed with gender dysphoria in early childhood grew out of it, many of them emerging as healthy, unmedicalised young people who identified as gay, lesbian, or bisexual.

Canadian clinical psychologist Ken Zucker, a world authority on youth gender dysphoria and editor of the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior, argues that early social transition is itself a psychosocial intervention that is likely to make dysphoria persist, rather than “desist” as it used to.

When adults in charge promptly “affirm” a young child’s trans declaration and enable social transition, it’s not surprising if a girl with a less than fully mature brain concludes that, yes, she will become a boy exactly like the other boys. Ahead of this girl is the potential shock of menarche, and she may be more likely to seek puberty-blocker drugs.

So many regret transitioning, and then get shunned by the LGBT community. and there are also a lot of lies in trans studies because many researchers want to support trans people. The whole field is underdeveloped at the moment.

https://quillette.com/2022/03/29/gender-idoelogues-alarming-campaign-to-get-kids-while-theyre-young/

https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20191007/Hundreds-of-trans-people-regret-changing-their-gender-says-trans-activist.aspx

Edited April 15, 2022 by SwedishLDS

[Calm]

7 hours ago, rongo said:

If a self-identifying gay man fantasizes about women while masturbating? Yes, I would say his claim to being gay is suspect. Why wouldn't he fantasize about men? If fantasizing about both men and women float his boat, then he could choose to only foster/nurture the attraction to women. It wouldn't be an imperative of nature he was born with and can't do anything about. 

No, that sounds like textbook homosexual to me.  

Not any more.  At minimum, she is "bi." This happened to a student of mine. Had a girlfriend, holding hands and kissing in the hall. Confessed to being pregnant in her baptismal interview (the district leader had some heavy lifting in that interview). She is a mother of three today, and doesn't identify as gay at all. 

I think this is what will happen with the lion's share of those caught in the wave of "identifying as gay" right now. Most aren't, really, and they will tire of the fad (or will abandon the fad as it peters out). 

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I know that the reaction scrambles to, "Well, people can be bi," or, "it's a spectrum. No two people's sexuality is the same." Sure, but if one happens to be truly "bi" (actually and equally attracted to both) and is a striving Saint, then it is certainly possible to successfully repress the "forbidden" attraction and only foster/nurture the "accepted" attraction. I know another mother of three (not the same one) who confessed to me that she is attracted to women, too. It isn't part of her life; her husband and three children are. Yes, "bi" exists, but I think it's a lot less prevalent than people claim. 

 

Then you believe that people should be identified by their sexual behaviour and not by how they self identify?

[rongo]

10 hours ago, Calm said:

Then you believe that people should be identified by their sexual behaviour and not by how they self identify?

Yes. If they claim to identify as one thing, but live through their actions as something completely different, then what use is the "identifying," actually? It serves a different purpose altogether.

I'm with Erica Anderson, a transgender psychologist who is concerned about the explosion of "identifying" teens over the last several years. It's trendy to "identify," and convenient that you don't even have to "do" the things that the group you "identify" with does. You get the benefits of "identifying" while having to do it. Like an honorary doctorate! 

[quote]https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-04-12/a-transgender-psychologist-reckons-with-how-to-support-a-new-generation-of-trans-teens

“I think it’s gone too far,” Anderson said. “For a while, we were all happy that society was becoming more accepting and more families than ever were embracing children that were gender variant. Now it’s got to the point where there are kids presenting at clinics whose parents say, ‘This just doesn’t make sense.’”

Anderson believes some gender-confused kids are “falling under the influence of their peers and social media,” adding that “some clinicians are failing to subject minors to rigorous mental health evaluations before recommending hormones or surgeries.”

“What happens when the perfect storm — of social isolation, exponentially increased consumption of social media, the popularity of alternative identities — affects the actual development of individual kids?” Anderson said. “We’re sailing in uncharted seas.”

“Giving over to hormones on demand will result in many more cases of poor outcomes and many more disappointed kids and parents who somehow came to believe that giving kids hormones would cure their other psychological problems,” the trans psychologist continued. “It won’t.”[/quote]

[quote]http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/when-kids-come-in-saying-they-are-transgender-or-no-gender-these-doctors-try-to-help/2018/01/19/f635e5fa-dac0-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html

Anderson has been sounding the alarm on the issue since at least 2018, when the trans psychologist bluntly admitted identifying as trans had become “trendy.”

“A fair number of kids are getting into it because it’s trendy. I think in our haste to be supportive, we’re missing that element.”[/quote]

Edited April 15, 2022 by rongo

[Calm]

8 minutes ago, rongo said:

Yes. If they claim to identify as one thing, but live through their actions as something completely different, then what use is the "identifying," actually? It serves a different purpose altogether.

Then research that addresses behaviour as well as identity you would find acceptable in providing numbers for those who have engaged in same sex sexual behaviour over the years and therefore qualify for the LGBTQ label.

Iow, the longitudinal research I have been posting of Lisa Diamond’s has statistics, you would find these acceptable numbers to work with?

Edited April 15, 2022 by Calm

[Teancum]

On 4/14/2022 at 3:09 AM, Rivers said:

This is a sobering article.  What strikes me the most is the chart showing that LGBT teens have the highest suicidality and it continues to climb.  I find this counterintuitive since LGBT people are more accepted and celebrated than ever before.  It’s all very heartbreaking.  

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/04/american-teens-sadness-depression-anxiety/629524/

Whuel LBGT are more accepted I think there is a long ways to go.

[Teancum]

On 4/14/2022 at 3:25 AM, SwedishLDS said:

In the end, the gospel is the solution to all the worlds problems.

I know this is a fantasy the believers cling to, and it is especially a favorite amongst Latter day Saints. And by gospel they mean the LDS gospel. So tell me how so.  How is the LDS gospel the solution to all the world's problems?  It seems to me there is a ton of baggage there that add to the problems of the world, amongst that baggage is the attitude our comment reflects.

On 4/14/2022 at 3:25 AM, SwedishLDS said:

 

Abandoning the church and following your own path will not help in the long run.

Won't help what? How many ex believing LDS have you interviewed about this?  Do you know how they feel about their current path or paths?  

[Teancum]

On 4/14/2022 at 1:10 PM, SwedishLDS said:

We live in an increasingly isolated society where people spend more time online than with their friends or family. People are not religious, dont go to church and, and local communities in general is waning.

Its through the gospel and faith in christ people will find happiness. Through meaningful connections with those around them and service. Family relations, meaningful work, and physical exercise. All things people are increasingly not doing. 

Leaving the church is not the solution, its the opposite. Increasing ones faith, exercise, friends, and seeking therapy if necessary is. Dont let go of the iron rod.

You live in Sweden right?  One of the most secular nations in the world right?  Also rated one of the most happy people in the world.  Seems like lack of religion is helping the Swedish people be happy.  Same with your neighbor Finland.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Teancum said:

I know this is a fantasy the believers cling to, and it is especially a favorite amongst Latter day Saints. And by gospel they mean the LDS gospel. So tell me how so.  How is the LDS gospel the solution to all the world's problems?  It seems to me there is a ton of baggage there that add to the problems of the world, amongst that baggage is the attitude our comment reflects.

I am hoping they mean this in the sense of a long-term treatment plan which, once the world ends will end in happy results.

If they mean that you can solve all your problems and all the world’s problems now by accepting and following the gospel I want a hit of whatever drug they are on.

[SwedishLDS]

7 hours ago, Teancum said:

I know this is a fantasy the believers cling to, and it is especially a favorite amongst Latter day Saints. And by gospel they mean the LDS gospel. So tell me how so.  How is the LDS gospel the solution to all the world's problems?  It seems to me there is a ton of baggage there that add to the problems of the world, amongst that baggage is the attitude our comment reflects.

Won't help what? How many ex believing LDS have you interviewed about this?  Do you know how they feel about their current path or paths?  

Can you stop deriding religious people non-stop? 

Crime, lack of friends and community, single parent household, people born out of wedlock, abuse, etc etc. Drug addiction, alcoholism. We have police and crime because we live in a world where people choose to do the wrong thing.

Yes, we have things like climate change and other things.

Obviously ex LDS would think so, otherwise they wouldn’t have left. Doesn’t mean they are right.

Edited April 16, 2022 by SwedishLDS

[Metis_LDS]

On 4/14/2022 at 8:09 AM, Rivers said:

 What strikes me the most is the chart showing that LGBT teens have the highest suicidality

Perhaps I am confused, it happens more these days as I grow older.  What you wrote is fine and I did check out the article on the Atlantic website.  I cannot find the chart that refers to suicide.  Can you help?

[Danzo]

On 4/15/2022 at 12:54 AM, Calm said:

Then you believe that people should be identified by their sexual behaviour and not by how they self identify?

Why must we identify people at all? 

 

[Danzo]

On 4/15/2022 at 11:18 AM, Calm said:

Then research that addresses behaviour as well as identity you would find acceptable in providing numbers for those who have engaged in same sex sexual behaviour over the years and therefore qualify for the LGBTQ label.

Iow, the longitudinal research I have been posting of Lisa Diamond’s has statistics, you would find these acceptable numbers to work with?

If same sex behavior qualifies one for the LGBTQ+whatever label, does that mean opposite sex behavior qualifies one as being non LGBTQ+?

 

 

 

[Metis_LDS]

27 minutes ago, Danzo said:

Why must we identify people at all? 

Excellent question, perhaps it is a herd thing.  We seek safety in knowing who we are dealing with.  It does not really work we can and are deceived constantly.  There is a line from Shakespeare  "Men should be what they seem".  From Othello.

Edited April 16, 2022 by Metis_LDS
correction

[CV75]

12 minutes ago, Metis_LDS said:

Excellent question, perhaps it is a herd thing.  We seek safety in knowing who we are dealing with.  It does not really work we can and are deceived constantly.  There is a line from Shakespeare  "Men should be what they seem".  From Othello.

Yes, I agree. Adam named the animals and King Benjamin gave the followers of Christ a name to take upon themselves. But of course, the organization associated with nomenclature can be leveraged for uniting people or dividing them.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Danzo said:

Why must we identify people at all? 

 

It is Rongo insisting that 1 out of 5 can’t be LGBTQ if I understand him correctly. Labeling someone “not” is still labeling.  Discuss that issue with him. 

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Danzo said:

If same sex behavior qualifies one for the LGBTQ+whatever label, does that mean opposite sex behavior qualifies one as being non LGBTQ+?

I don’t care about labels of identity, but rather identifying actual behaviour.  If one does not participate in any form of same sex sexual behavior, nor transgender behaviour, nor other behaviour identified as queer, then certainly one would qualify as only participating in nonLGBTQ behaviour.

There is, however, a significant portion who participate in some form of both same sex and opposite sex behaviour even if they identify as one or the other, indicating a significant percentage of the population are sexually fluid in behaviour.  As the research I previously posted indicates, the largest part of this group appears to be heterosexual publicly. Thus insisting that 1 in 5 is impossible based on past public identification is faulty since public identification missed the majority of the fluid population. 

[The Nehor]

8 hours ago, Danzo said:

Why must we identify people at all? 

 

People like to have labels for themselves and others so they can make sense of the world and their place in it. People, particularly young and/or lonely people, will often stretch themselves to belong to a group that seems to be desirable to be identified with.

”I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints”

That song is celebrating a label.