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Burkas, modesty rhetoric and where do we go from here

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Chum Grand Master

Chum

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25 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

This whole thing is just you being Chum, isn't it?

I am a chummy sort, yes.

Chum Grand Master

Chum

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15 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

So... Oprah is going to give me a slice of her wealth, and recommend my television ideas to the networks?

It's awesome that's on the table. Go you.

Chum Grand Master

Chum

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16 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

But one is not more than one.

 Okay. That's progress. Now work out which one you want.

The Nehor Grand Master

The Nehor

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7 hours ago, Stargazer said:

And it is sometimes an admonition to count one's blessings. And in no way an excuse not to work harder to end inequality. And then we get into the question of what constitutes inequality. Some believe equality before the law and equal opportunity ought to be the standard, while others feel that all billionaires and millionaires wealth being shared equally with everyone else ought to be the standard. 

What inequality are you thinking of in particular?

 

The racist kind. I thought that was obvious.

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bsjkki Grand Master

bsjkki

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Just now, bsjkki said:

Please send pictures. 😏

But, my humor tolerance level around burka wearing is pretty low...to be honest.

 

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The Nehor Grand Master

The Nehor

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21 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

But, my humor tolerance level around burka wearing is pretty low...to be honest.

 

:( 

I wish we had a general amnesty and took anyone who wanted to leave.

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Stargazer Grand Master

Stargazer

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4 hours ago, bsjkki said:

Can you three cease and desist.

I don't know about them, but I'm done with it.

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Stargazer Grand Master

Stargazer

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5 hours ago, The Nehor said:

The racist kind. I thought that was obvious.

Finally. Thank you. It wasn't obvious. At least not to me. 

And now I return you to your regularly scheduled mayhem.

Tacenda Grand Master

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Mette has described what has caused her to be the person she is. And it's the same for many, my instances were pretty mild but in my old age I believe they actually weren't because they made me the person I am. I see that now. My occurrences of sexual assault were enough to change the person I could have been, I believe.

And if it's true that the statistics are higher for sexual assault than I knew, not 1 out of 3 but more like 2 out of 3, have been sexually assaulted in some form, this is happening to many, and could explain many mental issues, many disorders such as overeating, or drug/alcoholism etc. Or cutting, or bulemic/anorexia...list goes on. And the way I tie it to burkas or what women wear, I think it takes away our power. 

https://metteharrison.medium.com/still-burning-a-sexual-assault-story-6fc58e149911

Hamba Tuhan Grand Master

Hamba Tuhan

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13 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Saw this tik tok that sums it up, hope a word he uses isn't too much. 

Ha! I kept my ear open for an offensive word. Never heard one ...

But this reminds me of the experience I've shared a couple of times on this forum before. In short, when I was LDSSA president at a public university in America's Midwest, we were asked by Pres Hunter to be part of a pilot where priests and Laurels attended our annual YSA convention. Our Institute director included this in the material he sent to participating stakes, and almost immediately we had a a handful of stake presidents and bishops on the phone asking us if we thought they were stupid enough to send their 16- and 17-year-old Young Women off to spend the weekend with a bunch of university guys.

None of us had predicted this, so the director contacted Church headquarters for guidance. I can't remember which General Authority got back to him, but the message was: Don't worry about those men; they are clearly wrestling with their own demons.

That's an insight that I have carried with me ever since.

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Tacenda Grand Master

Tacenda

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38 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Ha! I kept my ear open for an offensive word. Never heard one ...

But this reminds me of the experience I've shared a couple of times on this forum before. In short, when I was LDSSA president at a public university in America's Midwest, we were asked by Pres Hunter to be part of a pilot where priests and Laurels attended our annual YSA convention. Our Institute director included this in the material he sent to participating stakes, and almost immediately we had a a handful of stake presidents and bishops on the phone asking us if we thought they were stupid enough to send their 16- and 17-year-old Young Women off to spend the weekend with a bunch of university guys.

None of us had predicted this, so the director contacted Church headquarters for guidance. I can't remember which General Authority got back to him, but the message was: Don't worry about those men; they are clearly wrestling with their own demons.

That's an insight that I have carried with me ever since.

It was right at the beginning unless my ears are playing tricks on me.

Hamba Tuhan Grand Master

Hamba Tuhan

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34 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

It was right at the beginning unless my ears are playing tricks on me.

I just listened again. Your ears are playing tricks on you.

But yeah, that pastor has some real issues ...

bluebell Grand Master

bluebell

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18 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

If you listen to the video, language warning. 
https://www.insider.com/man-confronting-women-beach-bikinis-viral-tiktok-mia-logan-dorn-2021-9

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9974349/Christian-construction-company-fires-man-confronted-women-bathing-suits.html

 

I read an article about this earlier. That he believes he’s doing God’s work is why this topic is so important. 

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Vanguard Mentor

Vanguard

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Below is a post from Tacenda on another thread that I believe if is to pursued should be done on this thread. The following (italics added) -

"I'll stick with this one.

https://www.cfbjs.com/our-blog/2020/december/how-might-i-be-charged-with-indecent-exposure-/

  • exposing their private parts;
  • engaging in sexual conduct or masturbation; or
  • engaging in conduct that to an ordinary observer would appear to be sexual conduct or masturbation."

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This leaves quite a wide margin for tastes in what one wears! Are you sure this is your standard for a youth dance conducted in one of our chapels? Interestingly, your link excludes a woman's breasts as being a 'private part' and therefore not something considered against the indecent exposure laws (and not something you would consider beyond the pale?).

Of course, we can all imagine myriad examples of 'attire immodesty' from both our young men & women that would make us blanche at the prospect of having these styles at a dance or at church for that matter - styles that have nothing to do with your aforementioned standard you claim to be sticking with. I don't understand why we haven't dedicated more bandwidth to how we address these issues. Instead, the vast majority of the posts simply complain about others' efforts at enforcing standards we disagree with, without any real, practical direction on what the new standard should be beyond your suggestion that as long as our youth are not exposing their private parts or engaging in behavior that looks like sexual conduct! Yikes!

The fact is someone will be tasked with being on the front lines of enforcing something (who knows what that is now!?). What should be the direction for them? Or will we forever sit back in our armchairs and complain with platitudes about their decisions? : (

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