Burkas, modesty rhetoric and where do we go from here

[Bernard Gui]

45 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

So no, doesn't sound like the Church to me at all.

It seems you are wont to quote me out of context in order to score some kind of debate point. Why do you do that? It’s disappointing. 
 

I was never comfortable in such shower situations.

The Jewish tradition of modesty appears to be of ancient origin, not rooted in Euro/Puritanical/USA soil. Perhaps they are rooted in the same soil.

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Bernard Gui

[Hamba Tuhan]

4 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

I was never comfortable in such shower situations..

I'm not surprised.

[Bernard Gui]

27 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

I'm not surprised.

OK.

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Bernard Gui

[Hamba Tuhan]

5 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

The Jewish tradition of modesty appears to be of ancient origin, not rooted in Euro/Puritanical/USA soil. Perhaps they are rooted in the same soil.

I see you have added this to your original post. If you want a really solid, well-referenced treatment of the history of Jewish traditions of modesty, I recommend Yosef Ahituv, 'Modesty and Sexuality in Halakhic Literature'.

The scriptures, of course, are at the base of these traditions, but it is interesting to see them evolve through rabbinic commentary over time, and especially during the past 1,000 years, becoming today's Halakha (religious laws).

Edited September 14, 2021 by Hamba Tuhan

[Bernard Gui]

7 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

I see you have added this to your original post. If you want a really solid, well-referenced treatment of the history of Jewish traditions of modesty, I recommend Yosef Ahituv, 'Modesty and Sexuality in Halakhic Literature'.

The scriptures, of course, are at the base of these traditions, but it is interesting to see them evolve through rabbinic commentary over time, and especially during the past 1,000 years, becoming today's Halakha (religious laws).

Thank you. I might check it out if I can squeeze it in.

My point was that our modern concepts of modesty are not just a Western/Islamic imposition.

Why do you repeatedly quote me out of context, insult me, and then walk away as if nothing happened?

Edited September 14, 2021 by Bernard Gui

[Bernard Gui]

On 9/13/2021 at 11:47 PM, Hamba Tuhan said:

I'm not surprised.

Twice now you have misrepresented and attacked me personally, which I believe violates board rules. You have ignored requests for clarification.

In the first instance during a contentious COVID discussion you created a false narrative that I spoke against the Prophets. You took an innocuous comment out of context and then used it to question my loyalty to the Prophets. You doubled down on the accusation by likening my attitude to those who murdered the prophets anciently. Then you walked away.

This time in a non-contentious discussion you took a statement I made out of context, made false accusations, and finished with a very personal insult. And walked away.

I respectfully ask you to explain the above comment -“I am not surprised”- and to withdraw both false accusations and insults you have made. 
 

Edited September 15, 2021 by Bernard Gui

[Canadiandude]

This tweet thread on Leviticus sex laws is fascinating and really points to the patriarchal nature of these laws & systems and their concern over things like paternity and inheritance.

If this is too unrelated to the topic heading I can create a new thread but it seemed appropriate as much of the policing and control over women’s bodies seems to do with men’s concern over paternity.

 

Edit: This post is not meant to invalidate men’s fear of cuckoldry, I share the tweet mainly to help demonstrate what interests these laws seem to be primarily concerned with.

 

Edit edit: this is just the introductory tweet. If you plan to respond, please read the whole thing. I share because I thought it an interesting perspective.

 

Edited September 15, 2021 by Canadiandude
Grammar. A bit better now