It's Time for Another Church Wide Fast

[CV75]

19 hours ago, Fair Dinkum said:

With the undoubted success that the churches worldwide fast had on quelling the Covid-19 pandemic and quickly bringing it to an ignominious end and in quickly ending the Australian Bush fires by causing the storm clouds to gather and extinguishing those fires after over 17 million hectors had already been toasted in 2019, its time for the church to again weld its mighty collective power and call for another church wide fast to bring the Utah drought to a quick and lasting end as well. 

Yesterday Utah's Governor Cox announced that we were in the midst of yet another drought.  When he made the announcement I immediately thought of all of the success that we have experienced first hand with the other church wide fasts to end the pandemic and Australian bush fires and thought,  yup, time for another fast.  If the church acts quickly, probably at April conference,  while it might be too late to salvage the ski season, at least summer boating could be saved and we could have this drought knocked out by the beginning of summer. 

I pale to wonder what might have happened had the church not stepped in and held our collective church wide fast, can you even imagine the number of deaths and loss of lives had we not?

 

So who's with me? Time to fast.

Those who fast and pray tend to find or be part of the solution to problems.

[Ahab]

15 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Yes, but one can save money by not eating.  Then one can afford to pay his mortgage.

 

There you go.  When you want someone to do something then just be specific when asking them to do what you would like them to do.

[Bob Crockett]

6 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

The CDC stated that if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. (Source: https://www.winknews.com/2020/09/23/cdc-shows-covid-19-has-high-survival-rate-doctor-still-wants-to-see-precautions-taken/). At rates like that, the fast may have been intended more to end the 1984-style lockdowns, in which case the fast would have been an organized request or begging of God to restore/install more logic and reason in the public sector. If God's answer was: Don't hold your breath or this won't end until mankind no longer exist on the earth or start a revolution, would we have responded accordingly? Doubt it.

This may sound heartless but people died and die at a certain rate each day due to their health statuses (obesity, cancer, heart disease, etc.). 

I am not sure that rate has increased significantly due to covid. 

Hospitals received an increase in funding for each Medicare-covered patient they had who died "due to covid."  Medicare being the forced health insurance coverage everyone above a certain age is required by law to use, and coincidentally this same older age group includes those who are only 95% likely to recover from covid. 

Trump's modern medical miracle of fast-tracking three vaccines in record time, notwithstanding the FDA's indifference, is quite an accomplishment. Some may see the vaccines as an answer to the Churchwide fast. I don't because I don't believe this was a real pandemic. If it was real/organic we wouldn't be seeing herd immunity after all of us probably already caught the virus, and we wouldn't see the virus attack certain blood types and groups and demographic populations the way it has. 

 

So much false in this statement I don't know where to begin.

God permits diseases to ravage mankind.  It is part of the process of strengthening the species.   We are expected, however, to react with our learning and technology.  Not conspiracy theories.

[Harry T. Clark]

6 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

The CDC stated that if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. (Source: https://www.winknews.com/2020/09/23/cdc-shows-covid-19-has-high-survival-rate-doctor-still-wants-to-see-precautions-taken/). At rates like that, the fast may have been intended more to end the 1984-style lockdowns, in which case the fast would have been an organized request or begging of God to restore/install more logic and reason in the public sector. If God's answer was: Don't hold your breath or this won't end until mankind no longer exist on the earth or start a revolution, would we have responded accordingly? Doubt it.

This may sound heartless but people died and die at a certain rate each day due to their health statuses (obesity, cancer, heart disease, etc.). 

I am not sure that rate has increased significantly due to covid. 

Hospitals received an increase in funding for each Medicare-covered patient they had who died "due to covid."  Medicare being the forced health insurance coverage everyone above a certain age is required by law to use, and coincidentally this same older age group includes those who are only 95% likely to recover from covid. 

Trump's modern medical miracle of fast-tracking three vaccines in record time, notwithstanding the FDA's indifference, is quite an accomplishment. Some may see the vaccines as an answer to the Churchwide fast. I don't because I don't believe this was a real pandemic. If it was real/organic we wouldn't be seeing herd immunity after all of us probably already caught the virus, and we wouldn't see the virus attack certain blood types and groups and demographic populations the way it has. 

 

I hope we will be able or have the courage to review what went on this last year and rationally discuss everything, including looking at evidence that twitter, facebook, google, etc., deem unworthy.  We have had panics before with Zika and other illness that didn't pan out.  Perhaps we overreacted here?  I think we certainly did.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html

[Harry T. Clark]

22 minutes ago, Bob Crockett said:

So much false in this statement I don't know where to begin.

God permits diseases to ravage mankind.  It is part of the process of strengthening the species.   We are expected, however, to react with our learning and technology.  Not conspiracy theories.

How about rationally looking at all the evidence and not automatically discounting contrary evidence as conspiracy theory?  Is it possible in your mind that the medical profession could be overly influenced by the pharmaceutical industry?  There are $billions to be made when scientists and doctors support a particular drug.  Maybe that has an effect on decisions and supposed research?  The top percent in terms of wealth made out like bandits during the pandemic.  Maybe that deserves to be studied?  Is it possible that there was some coordination or is that one of those questions that cannot be asked because let's automatically assume it is crazy conspiracy theory?

[Robert F. Smith]

7 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

...................... I don't believe this was a real pandemic. If it was real/organic we wouldn't be seeing herd immunity ....................

What about nerd immunity? 

[Robert F. Smith]

21 minutes ago, Harry T. Clark said:

How about rationally looking at all the evidence and not automatically discounting contrary evidence as conspiracy theory?  Is it possible in your mind that the medical profession could be overly influenced by the pharmaceutical industry?  There are $billions to be made when scientists and doctors support a particular drug.  Maybe that has an effect on decisions and supposed research?  The top percent in terms of wealth made out like bandits during the pandemic.  Maybe that deserves to be studied?  Is it possible that there was some coordination or is that one of those questions that cannot be asked because let's automatically assume it is crazy conspiracy theory?

Ask QAnon:  Will the real conspiracy theory please stand up?

[2BizE]

I think it is best to wait until a large storm system is projected  and then call for a fast.

[Kenngo1969]

11 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

What about nerd immunity? 

To think, all this time, that I didn't have to worry about masking, distancing, curtailing and/or consolidating outings, foregoing activities, and all the rest of it ...  I could've simply gone about my life as normal?  Now, you tell me!

Bishop: "And we'll look forward to seeing all of the nerds in person in church next Sunday!  Our closing hymn will be ..."

 

[Calm]

7 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

Hospitals received an increase in funding for each Medicare-covered patient they had who died "due to covid."

They received for only procedures they performed, not a flat payment per patient.  This increase makes sense due to the additional costs associated with safety procedures, etc. required with Covid.

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I am not sure that rate has increased significantly due to covid. 

Ignore causes and simply compare the number of deaths in recent years to the number of deaths in the past year (correcting for increase in population and any other relevant factors) to start.  When we get more details on causes, we can remove accidents, suicide and homicide, etc, and just look at medical deaths in the past compared to medical death during the pandemic.  Unless you are aware of something else significant medically speaking last year, it would seem likely most of any change was related to Covid.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771761

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Between March 1 and August 1, 2020, 1 336 561 deaths occurred in the US, a 20% increase over expected deaths (1 111 031 [95% CI, 1 110 364 to 1 111 697]). ...

Of the 225 530 excess deaths, 150 541 (67%) were attributed to COVID-19. Joinpoint analyses revealed an increase in deaths attributed to causes other than COVID-19, with 2 reaching statistical significance. US mortality rates for heart disease increased between weeks ending March 21 and April 11 (APC, 5.1 [95% CI, 0.2-10.2]), driven by the spring surge in COVID-19 cases. Mortality rates for Alzheimer disease/dementia increased twice, between weeks ending March 21 and April 11 (APC, 7.3 [95% CI, 2.9-11.8]) and between weeks ending June 6 and July 25 (APC, 1.5 [95% CI, 0.8-2.3]), the latter coinciding with the summer surge in sunbelt states.

Also...

Life expectancy dropped a full year for the US, which is rather significant given the total population numbers.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/02/amid-covid-19-us-life-expectancy-sees-biggest-drop-wwii

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Life expectancy among American adults dropped by 1 year—the biggest dip since World War II—in the first half of 2020, according to new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The CDC used the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), which collects and disseminates the nation's official vital statistics, to show life expectancy estimates based on provisional death counts for January through June, 2020.

In the first half of 2020, life expectancy at birth for the total US population was 77.8 years, declining by 1.0 year from 78.8 in 2019. Life expectancy at birth for males was 75.1 years in the first half of 2020, representing a decline of 1.2 years from 76.3 years in 2019. For females, life expectancy declined to 80.5 years, decreasing 0.9 year from 81.4 years in 2019.

Black and Hispanic Americans fared worse in these estimates. Life expectancy dropped by 2.7 years for non-Hispanic black people and 1.9 years for Hispanic individuals.

"The Hispanic population experienced the second largest decline in life expectancy (79.9) reaching a level lower than what it was in 2006, the first year for which life expectancy estimates by Hispanic origin were produced (80.3)," the report said.

And life expectancy could drop further, given that the first half of 2020 only contained about 4 months of the COVID-19 pandemic.

 

Edited March 19, 2021 by Calm

[Calm]

7 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

we wouldn't see the virus attack certain blood types and groups and demographic populations the way it has. 

CFR

[Harry T. Clark]

39 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Ask QAnon:  Will the real conspiracy theory please stand up?

Prosecutors allege conspiracies all the time in courts around the country.  I also heard the mafia existed but I could be wrong?  However, you quickly and effectively suggested QAnon, so just forget that I mentioned something that might raise questions regarding the pandemic.  Believing leaders wouldn't steer us astray to benefit certain groups does have its benefits.

[Bob Crockett]

23 minutes ago, Harry T. Clark said:

so just forget that I mentioned something that might raise questions regarding the pandemic.

Wise advice. 

Folks:  Do not be deceived.  "Raising questions" is not evidence.  Citing to https://www.winknews.com/ or whatever is not Wiki.  Looks like deception.

 

Edited March 19, 2021 by Bob Crockett

[Harry T. Clark]

14 minutes ago, Bob Crockett said:

Wise advice. 

Folks:  Do not be deceived.  "Raising questions" is not evidence.  Citing to Winkepedio or whatever is not Wiki.

 

How do we determine what is or is not a good source?  Is it a conclusion based exercise?  There are experts that are pushing back on the covid narrative but they must be quacks because of the wrong conclusion they might posit?

Is it harmful to ask questions?  Sure, raising questions is not evidence but a place to start and then find the evidence.  Pfizer, et al, and the scientists that work at the various companies certainly asked questions about the effectiveness of their vaccines and are still doing so.  The AstraZeneca was suspended by some european contries.  Do you think the leaders in these countries are quacks or QAnon supporters for perhaps raising questions about the affects of the AstraZeneca vaccine?

Folks: Do not be deceived.  Asking questions is not an attempt to deceive like Mr. Crockett is implying.

Edited March 19, 2021 by Harry T. Clark

[Bob Crockett]

29 minutes ago, Harry T. Clark said:

How do we determine what is or is not a good source?  Is it a conclusion based exercise?  There are experts that are pushing back on the covid narrative but they must be quacks because of the wrong conclusion they might posit?

Is it harmful to ask questions?  Sure, raising questions is not evidence but a place to start and then find the evidence.  Pfizer, et al, and the scientists that work at the various companies certainly asked questions about the effectiveness of their vaccines and are still doing so.  The AstraZeneca was suspended by some european contries.  Do you think the leaders in these countries are quacks or QAnon supporters for perhaps raising questions about the affects of the AstraZeneca vaccine?

Folks: Do not be deceived.  Asking questions is not an attempt to deceive like Mr. Crockett is implying.

Raising questions is the lazy way of making the accusation of a conspiracy.

[Ahab]

41 minutes ago, Harry T. Clark said:

Folks: Do not be deceived.  Asking questions is not an attempt to deceive like Mr. Crockett is implying.

Whew!  Good thing you told me!  I was just about ready to start thinking that I should believe what Bob says.