Tacenda Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) I hope the opening poster won't mind my piggybacking on this post. I can't start topics. I searched for one close enough to my question. Just curious if it's possible that we might be wrong on the second coming. This guy, Shawn McCraney, says Jesus has already came back. He shows in the scriptures that there isn't a second coming. He studies the Bible really, really well for years now, for the ministry and show. He said Jesus came in 70 AD and took his bride. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAIUdR6ER3E And rather than listen to Shawn here's a PDF about it, not from him. http://faculty.oc.edu/stafford.north/North_70AD.pdf Edited December 30, 2020 by Tacenda
AtlanticMike Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/7/2020 at 8:07 PM, bluebell said: Christ’s church is not just members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Your correct, and what you said is sometimes hard for mormons to understand because we're so protective of our church. 1
JLHPROF Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Tacenda said: I hope the opening poster won't mind my piggybacking on this post. I can't start topics. I searched for one close enough to my question. Just curious if it's possible that we might be wrong on the second coming. This guy, Shawn McCraney, says Jesus has already came back. He shows in the scriptures that there isn't a second coming. He studies the Bible really, really well for years now, for the ministry and show. He said Jesus came in 70 AD and took his bride. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAIUdR6ER3E And rather than listen to Shawn here's a PDF about it, not from him. http://faculty.oc.edu/stafford.north/North_70AD.pdf https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism Just another misinterpretation of scripture. But interesting. Edited December 30, 2020 by JLHPROF 1
Dan McClellan Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 On 11/28/2020 at 9:27 AM, marineland said: Does this mean 50 percent of all Latter-day Saints will not participate in the Marriage Supper of the Lamb? No. 1
mfbukowski Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) On 11/28/2020 at 8:27 AM, marineland said: This is from Lesson 25 (Religion 250 manual). I had a question about these sections. 111 - “Of [the parable of the ten virgins], the Lord said, ‘And at that day, when I shall come in my glory, shall the parable be fulfilled which I spake concerning the ten virgins’ (D&C 45:56). “Given in the 25th chapter of Matthew, this parable contrasts the circumstances of the five foolish and the five wise virgins. All ten were invited to the wedding feast, but only half of them were prepared with oil in their lamps when the bridegroom came. The five who were prepared went into the marriage feast, and the door was shut. The five who had delayed their preparations came late. The door had been closed, and the Lord denied them entrance, saying, ‘I know you not’ [Matthew 25:12]. ‘Watch therefore,’ the Savior concluded, ‘for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh’ [Matthew 25:13]. “The arithmetic of this parable is chilling. The ten virgins obviously represent members of Christ’s Church, for all were invited to the wedding feast and all knew what was required to be admitted when the bridegroom came. But only half were ready when he came” (Dallin H. Oaks, “Preparation for the Second Coming,” Ensign or Liahona, May 2004, 8). 112 - This precious oil is acquired one drop at a time—‘line upon line [and] precept upon precept’ (2 Nephi 28:30), patiently and persistently. No shortcut is available; no last-minute flurry of preparation is possible” (David A. Bednar, "Converted unto the Lord,” Ensign or Liahona, Nov. 2012, 109). Does this mean 50 percent of all Latter-day Saints will not participate in the Marriage Supper of the Lamb? Tony Only if you are a literalist and believe He is an actual lamb. Could half be literal and half symbolic? Could this possibly be a parable encouraging us all to be constantly prepared spiritually for all the challenges we meet daily? Or can we postpone repentance until our deathbed? We all have a second coming at death If we are always prepared, how many make it becomes irrelevant. Edited December 30, 2020 by mfbukowski
mfbukowski Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 On 11/30/2020 at 4:46 PM, Maidservant said: Not all LDS are permanently stuck in scripture interpretation kindergarten. No, only 50% 3
Dan McClellan Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: No, only 50% I'd say it's a lot higher than that. 3
mfbukowski Posted December 31, 2020 Posted December 31, 2020 23 hours ago, Dan McClellan said: I'd say it's a lot higher than that. I do too actually, but I was trying to tie it into 50% of the virgins, but not too successfully 1
marineland Posted January 1, 2021 Author Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 1:31 PM, mfbukowski said: If we are always prepared, how many make it becomes irrelevant. Regarding this passage: “The arithmetic of this parable is chilling. The ten virgins obviously represent members of Christ’s Church, for all were invited to the wedding feast and all knew what was required to be admitted when the bridegroom came. But only half were ready when he came” (Dallin H. Oaks, “Preparation for the Second Coming,” Ensign or Liahona, May 2004, 8). Does this mean the 10 virgins are only members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and not of any other churches?
JLHPROF Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, marineland said: Regarding this passage: “The arithmetic of this parable is chilling. The ten virgins obviously represent members of Christ’s Church, for all were invited to the wedding feast and all knew what was required to be admitted when the bridegroom came. But only half were ready when he came” (Dallin H. Oaks, “Preparation for the Second Coming,” Ensign or Liahona, May 2004, 8). Does this mean the 10 virgins are only members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and not of any other churches? I'd say yes since we are speaking of the wedding feast. However the other parable of the wedding feast indicates God will find guests for the wedding from outside the Church and bring them in, especially if those already in (members) aren't willing to meet the requirements.
mfbukowski Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 3 hours ago, marineland said: Regarding this passage: “The arithmetic of this parable is chilling. The ten virgins obviously represent members of Christ’s Church, for all were invited to the wedding feast and all knew what was required to be admitted when the bridegroom came. But only half were ready when he came” (Dallin H. Oaks, “Preparation for the Second Coming,” Ensign or Liahona, May 2004, 8). Does this mean the 10 virgins are only members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and not of any other churches? No. Answered earlier, go back to Dan's comment. It's a parable, not an arithmetic lesson, and Prophets are fallible human beings. Not everyone knows "what is required ", the virgins did. 1
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