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marineland

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  1. I couldn't find any Catholic teachings indicating the 70-year prophecy has been fulfilled.
  2. What about the last week in Daniel's 70 Weeks prophecy? Already fulfilled?
  3. The video interprets the vision of Daniel 2. The channel is "Shameless Popery, by Joe Heschmeyer. #1 begins the video with an analysis of the stone being the Roman Catholic Church. #2 begins a discussion about how the Mormon Church interpreted the stone cut out of the mountain. Starts at about the 15:27 minute mark. #3 seems to describe the dispensationalist view, that it is fulfilled at the Second Coming. The last part gives a summary, labelled "What does Daniel 2 prove about the Church" (35:35). I believe there will be ten kings which come out of some sort of a revived Roman Empire. They will receive a kingdom in the future. The beast of Revelation 17 is the same beast that Christ defeats at the Second Coming, in Revelation 19. "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful". "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled" (Rev 17). "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone" (Rev 19). I don't believe the Roman Catholic Church is that kingdom established in the days of Christ because it co-existed with the ungodly kingdoms which currently existed then and those that would eventually form when the Roman Empire fell, but was not conquered by another kingdom like the progressive stages of the statue reveals. IMO, Daniel 2 does not depict the kingdom of Christ growing gradually while those other ungodly systems still continued to exist side by side throughout millennia.
  4. Let's talk further when a gold statue of DJT is erected 🙂
  5. You mean an impersonal force as opposed to a personal God?
  6. Can you explain the difference between Abraham 3:24 and Abraham 4:1? In Abraham 3:24, it says: "And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell". In Abraham 4:1, it says: "And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth". Did only the Gods go down to create the earth or were there others who were not Gods? And which Gods went down?
  7. No, that's not what I was suggesting, since we don't have biblical evidence to support that. I was actually asking whether, in your church, accepting men ("clean from the blood of this generation," whatever that means) into the school of the prophets is still practiced through the ordinance of foot washing?
  8. @The Nehor I saw a "school of the prophets" set forth in Doctrines and Covenants 88 but I don't know if this is still valid in our day. How they were appointed is mentioned there too along with one key qualification of his character. "Behold, verily, I say unto you, this is an ensample unto you for a salutation to one another in the house of God, in the school of the prophets. And ye are called to do this by prayer and thanksgiving, as the Spirit shall give utterance in all your doings in the house of the Lord, in the school of the prophets, that it may become a sanctuary, a tabernacle of the Holy Spirit to your edification. And ye shall not receive any among you into this school save he is clean from the blood of this generation; And he shall be received by the ordinance of the washing of feet, for unto this end was the ordinance of the washing of feet instituted. And again, the ordinance of washing feet is to be administered by the president, or presiding elder of the church. It is to be commenced with prayer; and after partaking of bread and wine, he is to gird himself according to the pattern given in the thirteenth chapter of John's testimony concerning me. Amen".
  9. Can one person obtain two priesthoods? Which of Noah's sons recovered the line of priesthood authority?
  10. What do you make of this section. Moses 8:13 says, "And Noah and his sons hearkened unto the Lord, and gave heed, and they were called the sons of God". Then in verse 27 we read: "And thus Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord; for Noah was a just man, and perfect in his generation; and he walked with God, as did also his three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth". The phrase "sons of God" appears earlier in Moses 7:1, where it says: "Behold, our father Adam taught these things, and many have believed and become the sons of God". If Ham is described as one who "walked with God" and was called a "son of God", how do we reconcile that with Abraham 1:24, which states the curse was preserved in him? Did he have some kind of visible sign associated with the curse?
  11. Where is that typical understanding taught? There are 7 instances of "children" in that chapter. Which refer to "covenant" seed?
  12. What do you make of verses 50-52, 59-60? It kind of seems like Heavenly Father, identified as the Lord, is coming in the last days to fulfil two covenants. How would he do it? The aspect of the covenant where a remnant of Noah's seed always being found among all nations is inherently self-fulfilling, since all nations are populated by descendants of those who survived the global flood. And it came to pass that Enoch continued his cry unto the Lord, saying: I ask thee, O Lord, in the name of thine Only Begotten, even Jesus Christ, that thou wilt have mercy upon Noah and his seed, that the earth might never more be covered by the floods (50). And the Lord could not withhold; and he covenanted with Enoch, and sware unto him with an oath, that he would stay the floods; that he would call upon the children of Noah; (51) And he sent forth an unalterable decree, that a remnant of his seed should always be found among all nations, while the earth should stand; (52) And Enoch beheld the Son of Man ascend up unto the Father; and he called unto the Lord, saying: Wilt thou not come again upon the earth? Forasmuch as thou art God, and I know thee, and thou hast sworn unto me, and commanded me that I should ask in the name of thine Only Begotten; thou hast made me, and given unto me a right to thy throne, and not of myself, but through thine own grace; wherefore, I ask thee if thou wilt not come again on the earth. (59) And the Lord said unto Enoch: As I live, even so will I come in the last days, in the days of wickedness and vengeance, to fulfil the oath which I have made unto you concerning the children of Noah. (60)
  13. Hope you are feeling better. Make sure you have at least one hobby. It'll help pass the time.
  14. "And were it possible that man could number the particles of the earth, yea, millions of earths like this, it would not be a beginning to the number of thy creations; and thy curtains are stretched out still; and yet thou art there, and thy bosom is there; and also thou art just; thou art merciful and kind forever; And thou hast taken Zion to thine own bosom, from all thy creations, from all eternity to all eternity; and naught but peace, justice, and truth is the habitation of thy throne; and mercy shall go before thy face and have no end; how is it thou canst weep?" (30-31) Will each of these worlds also have their own version of New Jerusalem built by humans that will be joined by their respective Enoch-like cities coming down from heaven to meet them as verse 63 portrays or Enoch and his city? "And the Lord said unto Enoch: Then shalt thou and all thy city meet them there, and we will receive them into our bosom, and they shall see us; and we will fall upon their necks, and they shall fall upon our necks, and we will kiss each other". Is God's abode only our earth [considered there] where he will reign like verses 64-65 portray or does Jesus personally rotate reigning on each of these millions of worlds for a thousand years? "And there shall be mine abode, and it shall be Zion, which shall come forth out of all the creations which I have made; and for the space of a thousand years the earth shall rest. And it came to pass that Enoch saw the day of the coming of the Son of Man, in the last days, to dwell on the earth in righteousness for the space of a thousand years".
  15. You have a point. Point A (in red above) happened in 1830. Point B is soon to come. What is the last kingdom of iron and clay that exists in 1830?
  16. Rome, like Babylon, Medes/Persians, and Greece had several leaders (kings, emperors, etc) but each was still viewed as one kingdom. I expect the same for the last kingdom, what some have referred to as the revival of the Roman Empire, in the form of the European Union. Or it might be a set of ten European kings that Revelation 17 might symbolize. "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful". Ten kings - kingdom, not kingdoms. And they receive power for one hour with the beast. Another thing the four previous kingdoms had in common was their control over the Holy Land. Daniel 2:34 says, "As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces". When did that happen?
  17. Generally to all.
  18. Can you identify the kingdom of the feet; iron mixed with clay?
  19. Does sexual activity continue in all kingdoms of glory?
  20. The reformation was against Catholic doctrine.
  21. Brigham Young taught Christ's church was destroyed, and this idea is still taught.
  22. No. Meaning Satan could not destroy the church.
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