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  1. Even if they continue in their sins and do not repent?
  2. What is the second death of Revelation 20:6? "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years".
  3. Why do only only the gods in the church of the Firstborn have their names written in heaven (Doctrine and Covenants 76:54,58,68)?
  4. I'm into lesson 12 of the manual (Religion 275) now and had a question. Page 55 Introduction From the Book of Mormon we learn that "the natural man is an enemy to God" (Mosiah 3:19). In this lesson, students are instructed that through repenting and exercising faith in Jesus Christ, we can overcome the natural man, be "born again," and experience a mighty change of heart. This change is necessary to enter the kingdom of God. Page 56 (Make sure students understand this truth: Only by becoming new creatures in Christ can we inherit the kingdom of God.) Do the definitions for the telestial and terrestrial inhabitants (those who continued in their sins and did not repent / those who rejected the gospel) mean they failed to inherit the kingdom of God? Where Will I Go After This Life?
  5. According to what I understand from LDS teachings, Heavenly Father becomes "our God" when "we" are born as spirit children to him and his heavenly wife (or wives). Or maybe it should be more specific like "Heavenly Father becomes our Father when we are spiritually born to him and a heavenly mother". I see the two as equal. Maybe you don't. But you never explained if you believe Heavenly Father (your God) was once an eternal intelligence who became a god (or God if the two are the same in the exaltation scheme of things). The LDS Church teaches Jesus became a god in the premortal life. I'm just wondering what you believe on how Heavenly Father became a god.
  6. I attached the image below. The manual is downloadable at https://archive.org/details/GospelPrinciples1997 I interpret from eternity to eternity to be the same thing as from everlasting to everlasting. Maybe you don't.
  7. I understand what you mean by God becoming "our" God; through some marriage with a woman who herself became a God - they had spirit children. But Joseph Smith generally laid out how Heavenly Father became a God before he became "our" God. “When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom, and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top; and so it is with the principles of the Gospel—you must begin with the first, and go on until you learn all the principles of exaltation. But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil [died] before you will have learned them. It is not all to be comprehended in this world; it will be a great work to learn our salvation and exaltation even beyond the grave. This is the way our Heavenly Father became God.
  8. Agreed. Hearsay is inadmissible in court too.
  9. I was reading Abraham 3 and Gospel Principle and made some observations about what I thought was the progression from eternal intelligence to spirit child to a man to a married man to a god to Heavenly Father of our Earth. I shared that with the missionaries and they basically agreed that he was not God from all eternity. That he was not God from everlasting to everlasting. Them admitting that they believed Heavenly Father was always God would place them in a position of contradicting Smith. I see your point. But it doesn't deal with the issue on how God came to be your God before you were even born to your heavenly parents.
  10. I summarized what I read in the LDS publications and the missionaries agreed with it. There was nothing in the statements made that they disagreed with. But I understand that other missionaries may have other views. You are right. They did not want to stay on that topic much. Maybe one of the missionaries did not want to disagree with Joseph Smith in front of the other if he really thought Heavenly Father was never a man who became a God. What is your belief? Was Heavenly Father once a man who became a God or was he always God?
  11. Hello theplains. Including @InCognitus The missionaries I met with explained it this way: - Heavenly Father, like you and everyone else on our earth, is an eternal intelligence (Abraham 3). For simplicity sake, I will refer to Heavenly Father as John. - John, as an eternal intelligence, was organized into a spirit child of his heaven parents. In simple terms, this would be Jesus' grandparents. - John, then a spirit of his heavenly parents, progressed as much as he could in his premortal home, and then he was sent to his earth to progress further. On this other earth, John married a woman. Marriage is a requirement to be exalted to Godhood. John and his wife became Gods (reached exaltation) after they died and were resurrected. This correlates to what Joseph Smith taught ( ... this is the way our Heavenly Father became God). - John is a being from everlasting to everlasting (from eternity to eternity) since he has always existed in the past and will exist into the future, but he is not God from all eternity. This lines up with what Joseph Smith taught (... We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. These ideas are incomprehensible to some, but they are simple). - After his exaltation to Godhood, John and his wife organized other eternal intelligences into their own spirit children and they informed their children of the plan of salvation and how their children could progress and climb the ladder to Godhood like their heavenly parents had done earlier. - "If we passed our tests, we would receive the fulness of joy that our heavenly parents have received. We learned that if we placed our faith in him, obeying his word and following his example, we would be exalted and become like our heavenly parents. We would receive a fulness of joy" (Gospel Principles, 1997).
  12. I figure procreation of heavenly parents with bodies of flesh and bones (if one holds to that belief) means just that. Unless Jesus and others are not really born to them. I believe God is the father of us in the sense of adoption. The Bible mentions this a few times. I couldn't find anything about "adoption as sons" in the Book of Mormon though.
  13. Is procreation of spirit children to heavenly parents one of these things?
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