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  1. This is from Lesson 21 (Religion 250 manual). The chapter mentions the priesthood keys several times. 89 – During His three-year mortal ministry, Jesus Christ conferred priesthood keys on His Twelve Apostles. With these keys, the Church of Jesus Christ was “built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets 90 – "'Priesthood keys are the authority God has given to priesthood [holders] to direct, control, and govern the use of His priesthood on earth’ [Handbook 2: Administering the Church [2010], 2.1.1]. Every act or ordinance performed in the Church is done under the direct or indirect authorization of one holding the keys for that function. Why didn't Jesus confer the keys of binding and loosing on the twelve Nephite disciples?
  2. This is from Lesson 21 (Religion 250 manual). https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/ldsorg/manual/institute/jesus-christ-and-the-everlasting-gospel-teacher-manual_eng-new.pdf (3 Nephi 16:1–3 and Mosiah 27:30. Why is it important to know that the Savior would visit His "sheep" in other nations? (Clarify that although the Savior may have visited other people or nations in person, most often the Savior manifests Himself through the ministration of the Holy Ghost. What other nations did Jesus visit after his resurrection besides what is mentioned in the Book of Mormon and the Bible?. Considering there were about 2,500 people in the multitude (see 3 Nephi 17:25), what does the Savior's invitation to each person to feel the wounds in His side, hands, and feet teach us about His concern for each of us? This question is not answered in the manual. What concern do you believe Jesus felt for doubting Thomas when he was invited to trust and shed his unbelief? An earlier passage mentions something very peculiar. 3 Nephi 12:1 – "... therefore blessed are ye if ye shall believe in me and be baptized, after that ye have seen me and know that I am". I would disagree with that statement. Being blessed after seeing Him is not being blessed for faith. Jesus, in the Bible, said we are blessed if we believe without seeing (John 20:29). 3 Nephi 18:1–12 (administered the sacrament). After reading that passage, I notice that it is quite different than the biblical account of the memorial which occurred in the Last Supper. This 'sacrament' is pictured as a full supper instead. Instead of it being shared between Christ and his 12 disciples, the Book of Mormon expands it to many other people. The disciples partake first of the bread. And after they are filled with the bread, they give it to the other people and they are filled. Then the disciples partake of the wine until they are filled and then they give it to the other people; where they drink until they are filled. Jesus blesses the bread but does not bless the wine. Tony
  3. This is from Lesson 20 (Religion 250 manual). 82 – Explain that the Resurrection redeems us not only from physical death but also from spiritual death. If there were no resurrection, then all people would eventually become like the devil (see 2 Nephi 9:6–9). I think that statement is incorrect because the resurrection does not redeem those who don’t become gods. They suffer spiritual death because they don’t have eternal increase. Is that right? 83 – If Jesus was in fact literally resurrected, it necessarily follows that He is a divine being. No mere mortal has the power in himself to come to life again after dying. Because He was resurrected, Jesus cannot have been only a carpenter, a teacher, a rabbi, or a prophet. Because He was resurrected, Jesus had to have been a God, even the Only Begotten Son of the Father. Does Jesus being divine follow or precede his resurrection? 84 – For two and a half years [the Apostles] had been upheld and inspired by Christ's presence. But now he was gone. They were left alone, and they seemed confused and helpless (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: David O. McKay [2003], 62). Is that three and a half years or two and a half? Tony
  4. This is from Lesson 18 (Religion 250 manual). 75 - However, what Jesus' immortal spirit did after His death and before His Resurrection is a mystery to all but the Latter-day Saints. And the significance of what He did during those hours provides the doctrinal foundation for building temples across the earth. When Jesus died, the temple veil tore. What did this veil-tearing signify about the Jerusalem temple? 76 – The Savior's words to the malefactor are misunderstood by many Christians to mean that a person can repent of serious sins at the very end of his or her life. However, the scriptures teach that we should not procrastinate our repentance. Did the thief who acknowledged Christ on the cross enter paradise or a place of suffering with the rebellious spirits? 77 – What was the purpose of the Savior's ministry in the spirit world? (Students should be able to articulate the following truth: The Savior provided a way for all of God's children to hear the gospel and receive a fulness of joy.) Is this an accurate statement when you consider all those in the spirit world do not receive a fulness of joy (since only the exalted beings get a fulness of joy)? Tony
  5. This is from Lesson 12 (Religion 250 manual). https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/ldsorg/manual/institute/jesus-christ-and-the-everlasting-gospel-teacher-manual_eng-new.pdf 48 – What does it mean that Jesus healed "all that were oppressed of the devil"? (This phrase may refer to Jesus's miracles of casting out devils as well as to the greatest miracle of all—the spiritual healing that Jesus brought to those oppressed by sin. Point out that although physical healing was an important part of the Savior's ministry, its effects were temporary. What physical healings by the Savior were temporary? Did the healed blind, lame, and demon-possessed people become blind, lame, and demon-possessed again? I'm excluding those who were raised from the dead because they would eventually die due to the natural course of life. Tony
  6. I found it easier to understand your views when you earlier seemed to believe the roots and branches were people. It seems from the above you believe the roots and branches are a "place" and not a "people". Do you also believe the tame olive tree and the wild olive tree are "places" and not "peoples"? Verse 8 says "And behold, saith the Lord of the vineyard, I take away many of these young and tender branches, and I will graft them whithersoever I will; and it mattereth not that if it so be that the root of this tree will perish, I may preserve the fruit thereof unto myself; wherefore, I will take these young and tender branches, and I will graft them whithersoever I will". So the branches of the house of Israel is a "place" and not a "people"? Is the house of Israel a place or a people? Verse 35 says "And it came to pass that the Lord of the vineyard said unto his servant: The tree profiteth me nothing, and the roots thereof profit me nothing so long as it shall bring forth evil fruit". Do you believe the roots (the temporary place of very much alive spirits that once animated mortal earthly bodies) profit God nothing? Doesn't the Plan of Salvation require the need for earthly bodies so humans can gain experiences and progress? Verse 48 says, "And it came to pass that the servant said unto his master: Is it not the loftiness of thy vineyard—have not the branches thereof overcome the roots which are good? And because the branches have overcome the roots thereof, behold they grew faster than the strength of the roots, taking strength unto themselves. Behold, I say, is not this the cause that the trees of thy vineyard have become corrupted?" In nature, is there any plant or tree where the branches can can grow faster than the strength of the roots and then the plant or tree becomes corrupted?
  7. It seems you are suggesting the church made a poor choice by using this symbol.
  8. https://www.deseret.com/2009/9/10/20339414/mormons-and-the-cross#lds-president-joseph-f-smith-talks-at-funeral-at-brigham-city-tabernacle-amid-cross-shaped-floral-arrangements
  9. You mentioned earlier that the "roots represent the righteous ancestors of the living members of house of Israel". Do you also believe the branches in Jacob's parable are deceased people who are hearing the gospel preached to them by the deceased roots in the spirit world?
  10. His mission on earth was not to get married, but some have hinted he was married in Cana - supposedly he needed to be invited to his own wedding if you believe that.
  11. Personally I believe that one can remain single and perfectly be in tune with God's plan for our lives.
  12. This is from Lesson 10 (Religion 250 manual). 38 – (Students may use different words, but they should understand that the only way we can return to live with Heavenly Father is by following Jesus Christ.) Is it ok to follow Jesus Christ by remaining unmarried so you can serve God in singleness (as he taught in Matthew 19:12)? Thanks Tony
  13. Where did you get the impression that Jacob's parable is referring to people [the roots] who have died and are now performing some work in paradise?
  14. Based on your view, it leads to the following questions: 8 - and it mattereth not that if it so be that the root of this tree will perish. God doesn't care that the Plan of Salvation perishes? 35 And it came to pass that the Lord of the vineyard said unto his servant: The tree profiteth me nothing, and the roots thereof profit me nothing so long as it shall bring forth evil fruit. The Plan of Salvation brings forth evil fruit? 37 But behold, the wild branches have grown and have overrun the roots thereof; and because that the wild branches have overcome the roots thereof it hath brought forth much evil fruit; So the wild branches are able to overrun [overpower] the Plan of Salvation? 48 And it came to pass that the servant said unto his master: Is it not the loftiness of thy vineyard—have not the branches thereof overcome the roots which are good? And because the branches have overcome the roots thereof, behold they grew faster than the strength of the roots, The branches are able to overcome the Plan of Salvation? 65 And as they begin to grow ye shall clear away the branches which bring forth bitter fruit, according to the strength of the good and the size thereof; and ye shall not clear away the bad thereof all at once, lest the roots thereof should be too strong for the graft, and the graft thereof shall perish, and I lose the trees of my vineyard. The Plan of Salvation would be to strong for the graft to take effect and the trees would be lost?
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