Duncan Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 What would you think about a talk in a conference (not General Conference) about Temple Symbolism? given by a member that their wheel is still turning but the hamster is long gone 2
ksfisher Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 58 minutes ago, Duncan said: What would you think about a talk in a conference (not General Conference) about Temple Symbolism? given by a member that their wheel is still turning but the hamster is long gone You're asking for an opinion on a talk that only you've heard? 2
Bernard Gui Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Duncan said: What would you think about a talk in a conference (not General Conference) about Temple Symbolism? given by a member that their wheel is still turning but the hamster is long gone More details would be helpful.
Popular Post The Nehor Posted September 9, 2019 Popular Post Posted September 9, 2019 I think this would weaken the temple experience by giving an official explanation to something that should come directly by revelation. 8
Duncan Posted September 9, 2019 Author Posted September 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: More details would be helpful. I saw a poster at Church for an upcoming conference, held in the Church by a speaker that is dubious about Temple Symbolism, I wonder if it's appropriate for that subject to be discussed and by someone who is i'm skeptical about their knowledge base, shall we say 1
Duncan Posted September 9, 2019 Author Posted September 9, 2019 46 minutes ago, ksfisher said: You're asking for an opinion on a talk that only you've heard? It hasn't happened yet but it's coming up
Robert F. Smith Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Duncan said: I saw a poster at Church for an upcoming conference, held in the Church by a speaker that is dubious about Temple Symbolism, I wonder if it's appropriate for that subject to be discussed and by someone who is i'm skeptical about their knowledge base, shall we say There is a great deal which can be said about temple symbolism, without ever mentioning any LDS symbols. Hugh Nibley and his colleagues used to do that sort of thing all the time -- using ancient temples as their reference. Only endowed Mormons could see the unmentioned connections. However, it doesn't make sense that a lecture which nixes such connections would take place in an LDS church bldg. Or be advertised therein. Maybe the poster was put up without permission. 2
Duncan Posted September 9, 2019 Author Posted September 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: There is a great deal which can be said about temple symbolism, without ever mentioning any LDS symbols. Hugh Nibley and his colleagues used to do that sort of thing all the time -- using ancient temples as their reference. Only endowed Mormons could see the unmentioned connections. However, it doesn't make sense that a lecture which nixes such connections would take place in an LDS church bldg. Or be advertised therein. Maybe the poster was put up without permission. that's the thing someone like a Hugh Nibley would be one thing because I know they would treat this subject with care and sensitivity but I wouldn't get that from this individual. I was dumbstruck when I saw the poster for it yestarday 1
CV75 Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Duncan said: What would you think about a talk in a conference (not General Conference) about Temple Symbolism? given by a member that their wheel is still turning but the hamster is long gone Is this a seminar-type session that is part a larger conference such as those for single adults? Bring your salt shaker! Then shake your booty to the oldies. Edited September 9, 2019 by CV75
Duncan Posted September 9, 2019 Author Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, CV75 said: Is this a seminar-type session that is part a larger conference such as those for single adults? Bring your salt shaker! Then shake your booty to the oldies. hahahahaha! no, it's for a RS conference of some kind
ksfisher Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Duncan said: It hasn't happened yet but it's coming up Kind of like a meal that nobodies eaten. Edited September 9, 2019 by ksfisher
Duncan Posted September 9, 2019 Author Posted September 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, ksfisher said: Kind of like a meal that nobodies eaten. but based on past meals 🤢🤢🤢🤢 1
ksfisher Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, Duncan said: but based on past meals 🤢🤢🤢🤢 Hopefully the cook will surprise you. 1
Bernard Gui Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) Do you mean something like what these books address? https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1488&context=jbms https://www.amazon.com/Symbols-Stone-Symbolism-Temples-Restoration/dp/1591562503 Edited September 9, 2019 by Bernard Gui
Ahab Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Duncan said: What would you think about a talk in a conference (not General Conference) about Temple Symbolism? given by a member that their wheel is still turning but the hamster is long gone Is that it? Is that all you are going to give me to go on? Someone saying something about "their wheel is still turning but the hamster is long gone"? I would think they were probably just trying to be funny. Who is supposedly turning their wheel if not a hamster inside of it? Are they just using their hand to keep it moving? Why not use electricity? But why keep the wheel turning? What would the point of that be?
Duncan Posted September 9, 2019 Author Posted September 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: Do you mean something like what these books address? https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1488&context=jbms https://www.amazon.com/Symbols-Stone-Symbolism-Temples-Restoration/dp/1591562503 it's what's on the inside, not the buildings themselves and I would trust anything Prof. Cowan and the late Matthew B. Brown say on the subject 1
Duncan Posted September 9, 2019 Author Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Ahab said: Is that it? Is that all you are going to give me to go on? Someone saying something about "their wheel is still turning but the hamster is long gone"? I would think they were probably just trying to be funny. Who is supposedly turning their wheel if not a hamster inside of it? Are they just using their hand to keep it moving? Why not use electricity? But why keep the wheel turning? What would the point of that be? in other words THEY ARE NUTS!!!! ahhahahah! but they are miraculously in the position where people would tend to believe them and i've seen when people have disagreed with them and it ain't pretty
Ahab Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Duncan said: I saw a poster at Church for an upcoming conference, held in the Church by a speaker that is dubious about Temple Symbolism, I wonder if it's appropriate for that subject to be discussed and by someone who is i'm skeptical about their knowledge base, shall we say What did the poster have on it? Someone talking about temple symbolism could be interesting. But then again, maybe not. I look for truth wherever I can find it but sometimes I don't find very much from some people, while from some other people I find a lot more.
Duncan Posted September 9, 2019 Author Posted September 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, Ahab said: What did the poster have on it? Someone talking about temple symbolism could be interesting. But then again, maybe not. I look for truth wherever I can find it but sometimes I don't find very much from some people, while from some other people I find a lot more. it just says "Temple symbolism" as the closing presentation, and it's for 50 minutes
2BizE Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 What symbols are unique to Mormonism? Most temple symbols are from Freemasonry or from other sources. 2
Ahab Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, 2BizE said: What symbols are unique to Mormonism? Most temple symbols are from Freemasonry or from other sources. If we told you and the rest of the world about those things they might start using them for their own purposes, other than how we use them, which is why we try to keep them set apart (keep them holy). 1
ksfisher Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, 2BizE said: What symbols are unique to Mormonism? Most temple symbols are from Freemasonry or from other sources. The symbols may be present elsewhere, but the meaning attached to them is unique to the temple experience. 1
Calm Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 Might be wise to talk to the bishop or RS Pres about your concerns. If that is not helpful, there is always setting off the fire alarm or calling in a bomb threat if he starts going off the rails (you would probably need to take a Sister into your confidence system so she can signal you when it gets to that point). 2
Robert F. Smith Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Duncan said: that's the thing someone like a Hugh Nibley would be one thing because I know they would treat this subject with care and sensitivity but I wouldn't get that from this individual. I was dumbstruck when I saw the poster for it yestarday Who is this guy? Perhaps he is a well-known figure.
Robert F. Smith Posted September 9, 2019 Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, 2BizE said: What symbols are unique to Mormonism? Most temple symbols are from Freemasonry or from other sources. Actually most temple symbols, including those of the Gothic cathedrals, have been around a lot longer than Freemasonry. Indeed, every mass (eucharist) said in a Roman Catholic or Anglican church is a deliberate temple sacrifice, taken directly from the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. And that is only the most obvious temple symbol. The entire Roman Catholic liturgy is a Jewish liturgy, straight from the synagogue. 2
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