Trump participates in National Day of Prayer at White House

[RevTestament]

3 hours ago, Kevin Christensen said:

Ever since Trump's election, despite loosing the popular vote by 3 million, thanks to 79,000 votes in 3 states in an election in which covert Russian propaganda reached as many as 129 million voters, my prayer for the nation has been "God help us." 

I would be remiss if I let all these charges pass by. What "covert" Russian propaganda would that be? That Hillary was hiding servers in her closet, and illegally storing emails. They managed to trick the American public into believing that she bleached bit her drives? Or that her foundation was accepting millions from all kinds of Arabs, who aren't allowed by national law to contribute directly to presidential elections? Really? Come now. She lost that election because she was more corrupt than Trump - sadly - despite Trump losing the popular vote slightly. I guess we can always do away with the electoral system when it doesn't pan out for the left.

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Considering what has been going on, from massively increased National deficits, hate crimes, social divisiveness, assaults on health care for the poor, jailing and rejecting legitimate refugees whose lives are endangered partially because US policy has failed in the home countries,

While I don't deny the deficits are again on the rise, and we don't seem to need all the increased military spending, they are no where near the 1.9 trillion reached under Obama, who incidentally had a huge military spending on foreign policy which you say has caused the endangerment to the lives of refugees now needing help. And exactly what refugees would those be? Those from Libya which was once one of the most prosperous nations in Africa and under Gadaffi had renounced and ceased terrorism before Obama (and Hillary) decided to support rebels and supply arms which turned the country into a wasteland? And caused the whole US embassy fiasco? Or maybe the once reasonably prosperous country of Syria before Obama once again listened to his Muslim Brotherhood friends and supported rebellion in that country which incidentally allowed the Islamic State rebels into the country(which gained power incidentally once again because of his policy of leaving Iraq too quickly). Before inferring that it was Trump's policies which caused the refugee mess, maybe you had better take a good hard look at the Obama policies of the preceding 8 years, and where he was throwing our military money based on his desire to support Muslim rebel groups favored by the Muslim Brotherhood. Fortunately, the Egyptian citizens would have none of his meddling of political affairs in that country, and threw out his Muslim Brotherhood puppets or they may have turned Egypt into another war-torn mess of refugees. 

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family separations with no systematic means of reuniting families employed as a "deterrent" , a 90% decrease in prosecutions of white collar crimes,

Let me say that I did not vote for Trump, and do not support all his policies. Did you notice that once Obama took office that the planned prosecutions of Muslim Brotherhood supported groups ceased? And that money flowed in to their trust for the building of all kinds of mosques all over America which have virtually no congregations?

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deregulation that permits increased pollution and environmental destruction with consequent health costs that fall disproportionately on the poor, whose health care is threatened daily, Presidential rallies that regularly produce a 200% plus increase in hate crimes in the counties in which they occur, chronic mass shootings, often by fans of the President who echo his divisive rhetoric, tax cuts that favor the rich and massively increase the deficit with the long term strategy of forcing a financial crisis that will permit the destruction of social security and medicare and ease the means for the rich to get richer on the backs of the poor,

Do you really believe the rhetoric that Trump is planning to destroy SS and medicare? You do realize that he has not cut the SS and medicare tax right? You do realize that you pay the same amount out of your paycheck (or if self-employed your tax return) as you did before the income tax amendments right? The tax reform actually helped the poor with a massive $24,000 standard deduction for married couples, which should help end the previously marriage-destroying incentives. If anything that put more onus on the middle class with kids who may find it more difficult to itemize. You no doubt are not an economist, so I doubt you put any credence in supply side economics, but the schtick is that it allows companies to put more money into capital investments which are overall a long-term benefit to the country. But when the country is near full employment, I concede that this move is not needed, and there is no guarantee that companies will make those capital investments. However, clearly some are. The proper balance between supply side and fiscal stimulus is always a debate. I am of the opinion that the country currently needs no stimulus - that we should get rid of the corn subsidies, and some others, and get the deficit back under control. That is what should be done after years of running massive deficits, and getting the country out of recession. Indeed, all that fiscal spending may have lined us up for another recession. https://www.npr.org/2019/03/25/705979795/what-it-means-that-a-possible-recession-signal-flashed-on-wall-street-last-week

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disrupting trust with our closest allies, weakening NATO, creating record deficits while China has record profits thanks to tariffs paid by US citizens for a trade war that was supposedly "easy to win",  while kissing up to dictators, by a Cadet Bone Spur draft evader who mocks Gold Star families and POWs, all by a President who has surpassed 10,000 lies while in office...  and Measles  coming back under a President who along with everything else dubious, ignorant, and divisive, parrots the anti-vaxers.

As a nation we do have a lot to pray about.

FWIW

Kevin Christensen

Canonsburg, PA

Now we are going to blame Trump for the measles too? Come on. Measles was making a come back during Obama's tenure. That has nothing to do with Trump. It may have to do with the thiomersal scare. During his tenure his comments on the matter completely support measles vaccinations. Any general suspicions about autism made before his presidency do not necessarily even apply to measles vaccinations which he has never specifically spoken against. I now believe it is much more likely that glysophate, GMO crops which promote the glysophate spraying and increase exposure, and general pollution are probably the cause of the rise in autism. Glysophate is in our soy and "vegetable" oils. Therefore it has found its way even into breast milk. Reports of autism in the US, Canada, and Europe have continued to rise even as Europeans eliminated thiomersal from their immunizations. They have also begun to cut back on glysophate spraying. If thiomersal were the ultimate culprit,  cases of autism would not have continued to rise in the US even as vaccinations fell. Autism rates in Asia are a fraction of what they are in glysophate spraying countries. They get immunized too. 

And "record deficits?" No. See my comments above. That distinction belongs to Obama with a 1.9 trillion deficit in 2010. Perhaps you mean to say debt levels? That distinction has gone to each president in the last 40 years with the exception of Clinton's second term, when the Newt Gingrich congress put a lid on spending and ran a surplus. We are now less than half that record deficit of Obama, although they have risen under Trump - nowhere near "record" though. Since you are talking about Chinese "profit" it occurs to me that you may be talking about trade deficit. In nominal dollars 2018 was a record year, but in adjusted dollars it was not a record. The record was 41 cents on the dollar which beats 2018 by a cent. (It hasn't ranged below 35 cents on the dollar for 20 years). In nominal dollars, our exports in 2018 also hit a record. That is ignored by Trump haters. Has wealth left the country? Yes, that is why China has grown. What is being claimed is that Trump has failed to reverse the trend that held under Obama as well. No one seemed concerned about China "profiting" then. It seems lefties just like to heap stuff on Trump, because they don't like him. I don't particularly like him either and I think his tariff stuff is ill advised, but I think he has been better for the country than the "yes" candidate Hillary would have been. Nevertheless, uninformed rhetoric is not useful.

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

We don’t elect our presidents by popular vote. Never have. There is good reason for that. Otherwise, the populous coastal states would be deciding each and every presidential election, a prospect I for one shudder to think about. 

And while no one approves of Russian propaganda in our election process, there is no evidence that such propaganda changed a single vote in 2016. And, as has lately been established by the Mueller Report, there is no evidence of Russian collusion in the Trump campaign. 

There is no evidence that it changed a vote but there would be no evidence if it changed hundreds of thousands of votes. That the President is in denial that it even happened because it might have helped him and he doesn’t want to admit it might have is deeply problematic.

As to the Mueller report Barr misrepresented it in a horrifically dishonest way. I say this as someone who wasted a lot of time reading the whole thing. There is nothing legally actionable but it is clear the Trump campaign and Trump himself sought to collude by taking multiple meetings and failed only because Russia refused to loop them in. Nothing you can use in a court of law but plenty of evidence that he is quite willing to collude if given the option. Add in the lies and destruction of evidence done by the President himself and his surrogates laid out in detail in the report and I am not entirely sure they failed to collude. They are just good at covering it up. Some like to characterize the whole thing as a witch hunt but it indicted and convicted quite a few witches.

If you still want to support him I seriously suggest reading the report. Not the Fox or CNN summaries or the blogs but the actual report. It is pretty horrifying.

[Bernard Gui]

30 minutes ago, Gray said:

Given the vast scope of their influence operations and the razor thin margins required for a Trump victory, it is beyond unbelievable that they didn't influence many votes. If less than 1% of the people exposed to Russian propaganda were swayed, that would have been enough to secure a Trump win.

Influence was exerted on both sides. The obvious purpose (which was spectacularly achieved as we have seen the events unfold) was to sow the seeds of chaos. The Russkies excel at this. It has been so since the Revolution.

[The Nehor]

33 minutes ago, Gray said:

Given the vast scope of their influence operations and the razor thin margins required for a Trump victory, it is beyond unbelievable that they didn't influence many votes. If less than 1% of the people exposed to Russian propaganda were swayed, that would have been enough to secure a Trump win.

Also this. If propaganda doesn’t work then Politicians would not use it. No one is immune to it.

[The Nehor]

2 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

Influence was exerted on both sides. The obvious purpose (which was spectacularly achieved as we have seen the events unfold) was to sow the seeds of chaos. The Russkies excel at this. It has been so since the Revolution.

Read the Mueller report. It was not exerted on both sides. The report records conclusively that the Russians favored the Trump campaign exclusively or almost exclusively. Playing the “both sides” card should not be allowed to work.

[The Nehor]

35 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

Then there is no hope for any of us, for we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. As Elder Holland said,

 

Apples and oranges. Trump needs the Corianton or Jacob speech and not the “there is hope for sinners who repent” speech. A bit of remorse for his literal Playboy lifestyle is probably a prerequisite for repentance. Instead we have boasting about perving out in the changing rooms of teenage girls.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

I thought we were talking about a day of prayer. 🥴

I took one look at the OP and knew immediately what it was. If I had the second post in the thread it would have been just this image pointing at the quoted OP:

[tulip]

I appreciate our President supporting prayer and religion.   When the liberals win next time,  religious liberty will be destroyed.

[MiserereNobis]

3 minutes ago, tulip said:

When the liberals win next time,  religious liberty will be destroyed.

[The Nehor]

Just now, tulip said:

I appreciate our President supporting prayer and religion.   When the liberals win next time,  religious liberty will be destroyed.

Get a baseball bat, find the propagandist or propagandists that have infected you with this unhealthy worldview of perpetual fear, and beat them to death with it. You will be doing everyone a favor.

[ttribe]

9 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Get a baseball bat, find the propagandist or propagandists that have infected you with this unhealthy worldview of perpetual fear, and beat them to death with it. You will be doing everyone a favor.

 

For the life of me, I cannot figure out why conservatives continue to defend this idiot.  He's not a conservative; he's a populist and an isolationist, and he's using conservatives to gain and preserve power.

Edited May 3, 2019 by ttribe

[Calm]

12 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

and beat them to death with it.

Went too far for me today....you might consider dialing back a few notches.  

[The Nehor]

Just now, Calm said:

Went too far for me today....you might consider dialing back a few notches.  

I hate demagogues who make people that afraid. I have seen friends infected by that kind of propaganda and watched the joy be slowly but surely leeched out of their lives.

If you think I went too far though you do not have to beat them to death with the bat. Just break their kneecaps. See, who says compromise is dead?  

[MustardSeed]

This year will likely cure my social media habit. 

[snowflake]

25 minutes ago, ttribe said:

 

For the life of me, I cannot figure out why conservatives continue to defend this idiot.  He's not a conservative; he's a populist and an isolationist, and he's using conservatives to gain and preserve power.

He's the best troll ever....you can't figure that out? 

[ttribe]

Just now, snowflake said:

He's the best troll ever....you can't figure that out? 

Oh, I understand that, I just can't figure out why conservatives don't get that.

[snowflake]

Just now, ttribe said:

Oh, I understand that, I just can't figure out why conservatives don't get that.

No you don't under stand that.....

[ttribe]

1 minute ago, snowflake said:

No you don't under stand that.....

Wait, are you trying to suggest he's a real conservative?  That's freaking hilarious, if that's the case.

[Wade Englund]

5 hours ago, Kevin Christensen said:

...thanks to...Russian propaganda reached as many as 129 million voters, my prayer for the nation has been "God help us." 

Contrary to what @Scott Lloyd asserted about no evidence of influence, personal integrity compels me to say that the nearly $1.5 million the Russians spent on social media ads and the like, certain had greater influence on my vote than the $890 million spent by the Hillary campaign, along with the countless millions in anti-Trump material from the mainstream media, the political establishment, unions, if not also covert actions taken by the deep state.  Hillary didn't have a prayer against the  likes of the Ruskies.  

.My prayer, though, is that we place less time and energy concerned about the rampant political and social corruption that has been progressing far longer than the last two years, which is well outside our individual control, and focus instead on bettering our own little worlds of influence, and build a Zion society starting within each of us.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[snowflake]

7 minutes ago, ttribe said:

Wait, are you trying to suggest he's a real conservative?  That's freaking hilarious, if that's the case.

I think it's hilarious that the left (and obviously you) can't figure out why half the country loves the guy...and what do you mean by "real conservative"?

[ttribe]

Just now, snowflake said:

I think it's hilarious that the left (and obviously you) can't figure out why half the country loves the guy...and what do you mean by "real conservative"?

Let's see, just to establish the bonafides before you make any more assumptions - until he took office, I was a lifelong Republican who believed in small government, both socially and fiscally.  I would very much consider myself a Reagan Republican for all that time.  I see him espouse no consistent platform, principal or set of coherent policies that reflect conservatism in any form with which I am familiar.

And, yeah, I find his buffoonery to be low-brow, unprincipled, and dishonest.  So, it still makes me shake my head that "half the population loves the guy." 

[Jeanne]

Shoot me...I saw this live and got goosebumps on the inside with the hopeful speech...and the leaders of faiths afterwards.   Tomorrow may change...but today..I said "Amen".

[snowflake]

41 minutes ago, ttribe said:

Let's see, just to establish the bonafides before you make any more assumptions - until he took office, I was a lifelong Republican who believed in small government, both socially and fiscally.  I would very much consider myself a Reagan Republican for all that time.  I see him espouse no consistent platform, principal or set of coherent policies that reflect conservatism in any form with which I am familiar.

And, yeah, I find his buffoonery to be low-brow, unprincipled, and dishonest.  So, it still makes me shake my head that "half the population loves the guy." 

How do you feel about his Supreme court picks?.....not conservative enough?