longview Posted September 26, 2018 Posted September 26, 2018 3 hours ago, The Nehor said: it is likely that it is written by a xenophobic certifiably crazy person Ad hominem. This has become a very bad habit for you in the last couple of years. 3 hours ago, The Nehor said: and not a serious student of Islamic culture. You do not know Robert Spenser. He is expert in Arabic and has studied the Quran, hadiths, all the historical documents very extensively. He has written many powerful books detailing the history, culture, analysis, exposes. I have seen several of his lectures. In my opinion, he is just as good as Daniel C. Peterson.
Hamba Tuhan Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, longview said: I don't think there are "competing" versions of Sharia. Schools of Islamic Law and Their Differences Then, of course, you have large numbers of Muslims who are only thinly observant by following a handful of well-known laws. This was certainly the case in Indonesia when I lived there, though I understand fundamentalism is growing now. Importantly, I don't think we even know what we mean when we use the word fundamentalism. When I was working in America, I became friends with a refugee family from Indonesia's Aceh Province. They were die-hard Islamic fundamentalists who had been involved in trying to establish an Islamic state in Aceh. To escape persecution/prosecution by the Indonesian Government, they'd fled into Malaysia, from which they'd been accepted into America as political refugees (and warmly embraced by the local Latter-day Saint community). This family despised the 'soft' Muslims who make up the majority in Indonesia, which they derisively called 'Hindunesia' -- suggesting that Indonesian Islam was too mixed with older layers of Hinduism (and Buddhism, to be honest). Hard-core, right? These are people who wanted Sharia to be the law of the land in Aceh. Who despised any form of religious mixing or syncretism. The second-last time I visited them in their flat, it was December, and they had a Christmas tree up and decorated. The last time I visited them in their flat, the wife had just given birth to a new son, and they had invited their male Latter-day Saint friends to come give him a name and a blessing. Edited September 27, 2018 by Hamba Tuhan 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, longview said: He is expert in Arabic and has studied the Quran, hadiths, all the historical documents very extensively. He has written many powerful books detailing the history, culture, analysis, exposes. Sounds a bit like Gerald and Sandra Tanner. I just checked. He actually wrote a book titled Islam Unveiled. Now why does that sound familiar ...
Anijen Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, longview said: Sadly, you have not been paying close attention to news reports. Thank you for reminding me what I have not been paying attention to. I thought I was up-to-date on current news reports, but thankfully you are there to remind me of those lapses. Quote In the last several years we have seen hysterical reactions of public school administrators and teachers to students bringing bibles to study during lunch breaks, wearing the cross on a necklace, engaging in casual conversations about Christianity and many other innocuous expressions. On the other hand, there are many classroom sessions in which students get to wear the chador, practise moslem prayers, dietary experiences, etc, all in the name of "multiculturalism". They even have them say a prayer that commits them to Islam. I have read of a few colleges that have set aside special rooms for ritualistic cleansing (some kind of basins) and prayer spaces. I agree. The First Amendment (issue here is the separation of church and state) seems to be ignored for Muslim and overly used against the Christian. However, this does nothing to lessen my statement on Sharia Law in the US having any legal binding authority. Quote Most of the government establishment only pay lip service to the Constitution. They run circles around it. The Obama Administration had numerous moslem activists with several having ties to Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR and other terrorist organizations. Okay. Quote All three of your "prongs" have been breached numerous times in the last few decades. Okay. First, they are not my prongs. Second, just because the First Amendment is violated by one sect and overly enforced against another does not invalidate my statement on Sharia Law. It would take an act of Congress to amend the First Amendment (any amendment). Because it is ignored by some communities and perhaps in some Muslim neighborhoods it is practiced, then it is practiced illegally. However, i will work on staying up with current news events. 1
Rajah Manchou Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 2 hours ago, longview said: Sadly, you have not been paying close attention to news reports. In the last several years we have seen hysterical reactions of public school administrators and teachers to students bringing bibles to study during lunch breaks, wearing the cross on a necklace, engaging in casual conversations about Christianity and many other innocuous expressions. On the other hand, there are many classroom sessions in which students get to wear the chador, practise moslem prayers, dietary experiences, etc, all in the name of "multiculturalism". They even have them say a prayer that commits them to Islam. I have read of a few colleges that have set aside special rooms for ritualistic cleansing (some kind of basins) and prayer spaces. Most of the government establishment only pay lip service to the Constitution. They run circles around it. The Obama Administration had numerous moslem activists with several having ties to Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR and other terrorist organizations. All three of your "prongs" have been breached numerous times in the last few decades. Those special rooms are called prayer rooms. You'll find them in shopping malls and airports all around the world. Anyone of any religion is allowed to go in to those rooms and pray. Unless you are against the idea of prayer in public spaces, there is nothing to worry about. As for sharia becoming the law of the land in America, the odds are probably better for FLDSism to become the law of Arizona or Utah. So again, nothing to worry about. The only religion with a real shot of becoming law in America is Christianity. If that doesn't worry you, then you really don't have much of an argument. 2
Hamba Tuhan Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rajah Manchou said: Anyone of any religion is allowed to go in to those rooms and pray. I have personally prayed in a number of musholla, as they're called in Indonesian, at work, in airports, etc. 2
Rajah Manchou Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 58 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I have personally prayed in a number of musholla, as they're called in Indonesian, at work, in airports, etc. I've sat and observed/prayed in a few prayer halls. Its an interesting thing. Of course it is mostly Muslims in there, but in every single case, when I've gone in, those labels fall. It doesn't matter who you are or what religion you profess. Its the sort of feeling you get when you are in the temple. We've left the bustle of the world and are all in here praying to God. Nobody cares what religion you are in a prayer room. Its odd that many who lobby for prayer in schools are opposed to prayer halls in schools. 3
Hamba Tuhan Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, Rajah Manchou said: Nobody cares what religion you are in a prayer room. That's been my precise experience as well. Quote Its odd that many who lobby for prayer in schools are opposed to prayer halls in schools. Maybe they only want prayer if it's their kind, to their god? Bro Joseph would have had something to say about that ...
bsjkki Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 I would like it to be easier but the issue is complicated. I don't understand why it costs a fortune for spouses of Americans to get visas to stay in the country. I think work visas need to be easier for the poor and uneducated to get that would someday lead to a permanent status. Most of my illegal friends arrived with a visa and then overstayed and never went home. There is no way to track and enforce our current laws. As of January of 2018. there is a backlog of 311000 asylum cases. This is one reason, the country has decreased the number of refugees being admitted. We have a new family in our ward from Venezuela. They are here legally with a pending asylum case. How could anyone with a conscience deport anyone back to Venezuela right now? Legally, they can not work yet. It is so hard for them. I wish more countries had stable governments so this wasn't such a huge problem. 2
longview Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Anijen said: I agree. The First Amendment (issue here is the separation of church and state) seems to be ignored for Muslim and overly used against the Christian. Not quite. The Establishment Elites (or Globalists) are pushing two religions: 1- one world atheistic communism (their version); 2- Islamo-Fascism. They want to "dovetail" Islam with their system because it has a very nice totalitarian set up controlling both civic and religious observances. They would not be averse to playing the masses against each other. Similar to Orwell's "1984" wars between three powers. Book of Mormon teaches about this Great and Abominable Church of the Devil. There has been a subversion of the First Amendment ever since Madalyn Murray O'Hair fooled the Supreme Court into ruling for a wall between church and state in 1963 (misinterpreting Jefferson's letter to Danbury Baptists). The First Amendment was intended to prohibit the establishment of one denomination over the country. But it does allow free exercise for multiple denominations to participate in the public (taking care NOT to favor one over others). The effect of the ruling was the de facto establishment of Atheism in public schools and many public areas (causing increasing corruption of our youth). 2 hours ago, Anijen said: However, this does nothing to lessen my statement on Sharia Law in the US having any legal binding authority. Affirmative action, onerous prosecution of "hate speech" and "islamophobia", promotion of Islam in the public square and schools are ever increasing. Putting quite a damper on the rights of the American public. Can't help but see it getting worse. 2 hours ago, Anijen said: First, they are not my prongs. Second, just because the First Amendment is violated by one sect and overly enforced against another does not invalidate my statement on Sharia Law. It would take an act of Congress to amend the First Amendment (any amendment). Because it is ignored by some communities and perhaps in some Muslim neighborhoods it is practiced, then it is practiced illegally. The LEFT do not care about "Rule of Law". It is their dictates and fiat and political correctness doctrine that has weight. Obama issued numerous executive orders. The bureaucracy (Deep State) make over 90% of the rules and regulations that increasingly oppress the regular citizens (while favoring the current "favorite" victims). Do you know why ACA (Affordable Care Act) was passed into law without the Congress ever having read it? Because it was put together by many parts of the bureaucracy over several years. No wonder Nancy Pelosi said for the Congress to pass it in order to find out what was in it (the bureaucracy was already prepared to publicize the mandates and to implement the constraints). 2 hours ago, Anijen said: However, i will work on staying up with current news events. It would help to read a wider spectrum of publications (and avoid the extreme left and question the dominant media).
Anijen Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 34 minutes ago, longview said: Not quite. The Establishment Elites (or Globalists) are pushing two religions: 1- one world atheistic communism (their version); 2- Islamo-Fascism. They want to "dovetail" Islam with their system because it has a very nice totalitarian set up controlling both civic and religious observances. They would not be averse to playing the masses against each other. Similar to Orwell's "1984" wars between three powers. Book of Mormon teaches about this Great and Abominable Church of the Devil. Okay. Although a little digression.... (from Sharia Law) Quote There has been a subversion of the First Amendment ever since Madalyn Murray O'Hair fooled the Supreme Court into ruling for a wall between church and state in 1963 (misinterpreting Jefferson's letter to Danbury Baptists). The First Amendment was intended to prohibit the establishment of one denomination over the country. But it does allow free exercise for multiple denominations to participate in the public (taking care NOT to favor one over others). The effect of the ruling was the de facto establishment of Atheism in public schools and many public areas (causing increasing corruption of our youth). I agree. Quote Affirmative action, onerous prosecution of "hate speech" and "islamophobia", promotion of Islam in the public square and schools are ever increasing. Putting quite a damper on the rights of the American public. Can't help but see it getting worse. Okay Quote The LEFT do not care about "Rule of Law". It is their dictates and fiat and political correctness doctrine that has weight. Obama issued numerous executive orders. The bureaucracy (Deep State) make over 90% of the rules and regulations that increasingly oppress the regular citizens (while favoring the current "favorite" victims). Do you know why ACA (Affordable Care Act) was passed into law without the Congress ever having read it? Because it was put together by many parts of the bureaucracy over several years. No wonder Nancy Pelosi said for the Congress to pass it in order to find out what was in it (the bureaucracy was already prepared to publicize the mandates and to implement the constraints). Okay Quote It would help to read a wider spectrum of publications (and avoid the extreme left and question the dominant media). Just an FYI, I am a true blue through and through conservative (registered Republican) and hold to an originalist/textual reading of the Constitution. I do admit to reading all the leftist material I can get a hold of, but only to learn (know your enemy ~Sun Tzu) 1
The Nehor Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 6 hours ago, longview said: Ad hominem. This has become a very bad habit for you in the last couple of years. You do not know Robert Spenser. He is expert in Arabic and has studied the Quran, hadiths, all the historical documents very extensively. He has written many powerful books detailing the history, culture, analysis, exposes. I have seen several of his lectures. In my opinion, he is just as good as Daniel C. Peterson. It is not ad hominem. I am not attempting to discredit his work by saying he is a bad person. I am saying his work is horrible and that makes him a bad person. He discredits himself. A key distinction. If I were DCP I would be offended.
The Nehor Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, longview said: Not quite. The Establishment Elites (or Globalists) are pushing two religions: 1- one world atheistic communism (their version); 2- Islamo-Fascism. They want to "dovetail" Islam with their system because it has a very nice totalitarian set up controlling both civic and religious observances. They would not be averse to playing the masses against each other. Similar to Orwell's "1984" wars between three powers. Book of Mormon teaches about this Great and Abominable Church of the Devil. There has been a subversion of the First Amendment ever since Madalyn Murray O'Hair fooled the Supreme Court into ruling for a wall between church and state in 1963 (misinterpreting Jefferson's letter to Danbury Baptists). The First Amendment was intended to prohibit the establishment of one denomination over the country. But it does allow free exercise for multiple denominations to participate in the public (taking care NOT to favor one over others). The effect of the ruling was the de facto establishment of Atheism in public schools and many public areas (causing increasing corruption of our youth). Affirmative action, onerous prosecution of "hate speech" and "islamophobia", promotion of Islam in the public square and schools are ever increasing. Putting quite a damper on the rights of the American public. Can't help but see it getting worse. The LEFT do not care about "Rule of Law". It is their dictates and fiat and political correctness doctrine that has weight. Obama issued numerous executive orders. The bureaucracy (Deep State) make over 90% of the rules and regulations that increasingly oppress the regular citizens (while favoring the current "favorite" victims). Do you know why ACA (Affordable Care Act) was passed into law without the Congress ever having read it? Because it was put together by many parts of the bureaucracy over several years. No wonder Nancy Pelosi said for the Congress to pass it in order to find out what was in it (the bureaucracy was already prepared to publicize the mandates and to implement the constraints). It would help to read a wider spectrum of publications (and avoid the extreme left and question the dominant media). 1
The Nehor Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 6 hours ago, Danzo said: One change that is desperately needed in immigration law is a statute of limitations. Why is it that attempted murder has a statute of limitations but crossing an imaginary line without permission doesn't? To be fair this has happened. We call them amnesties.
Rain Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 (edited) On 9/25/2018 at 4:23 PM, RevTestament said: SR might have different viewpoints, but I have no problem with Muslims coming here who fully intend to live under the constitution and laws of the United States. However, I see many aspects of Sharia law which are fundamentally at odds with the constitution. Freedom of religion does not mean one gets to avoid all the constitutional rights of others. Many Muslims who have come here in the past have done so to avoid persecution. Persecution from whom? And do we want those same persecutors to be able to freely come here now? A good constitutional criterion for coming to the United States is that those seeking citizenship will follow the constitution over their own religious beliefs such as killing those who choose to leave their religion. We have already seen cases of this in the United States. Only as an under-prophet to Muhammed who they view as the way. In other words Yeshua is not the way - Muhammed is. Further, their view of Yeshua is one as taught in spurious and gnostic texts. They believe that the Jesus of the Bible is the highest sinner possible in that He equated Himself to God, which is committing the sin of shirk. There were lots of other Yeshuas in His day. It was a common name. Theirs could have been any of the others and may as well have been... One of the refugees I worked with came from Iraq where he worked with the US army. Because of that the Taliban was after him and his family. There are similar stories from Afghanistan. But it isn't all the same story. We have Muslim refugees coming in from Syria, Burma, Malaysia and many other places. Some of them are not recognized by the governments of their origin and weren't allowed to stay. Their stories are varied. Edited September 27, 2018 by Rain 1
Rain Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 (edited) On 9/25/2018 at 6:59 PM, halconero said: Yes. I'm one of the few people out there who'd probably be comfortable with open borders and common hemispheric markets. I understand though that that's politically unfeasible, so I'll settle for much easier access to work permits, and a reasonably short and easy path towards permanent residency. Politically, immigrants also need to be visibly paying into the system (they already do, but not everybody gets this), so I'd be fine with an inclusion fund based on a modest tax on immigrant wealth and/or income. Funds from this would go to projects where immigrants make up a disproportionate part of the population. I'm also fine with values tests prior to citizenship, with greater benefits accruing to citizens than permanent residents. The gains made by moving are still so astronomically high (between $15,000-$20,000/year for a low-skilled immigrant to the United States) that garnering support for immigration via the distribution of gains to immigrants would be fine for me. The first sentence/paragraph is my ideal. The second paragraph is my pragmatic idea for immigration reform. I'm with you. If people in all these countries are Heavenly Father's children then that makes them my brothers and sisters so it makes sense to me to be open to working with all my siblings and not just those in the boundaries of my country. Edited September 27, 2018 by Rain 3
longview Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 12 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Sounds a bit like Gerald and Sandra Tanner. I just checked. He actually wrote a book titled Islam Unveiled. Now why does that sound familiar ... Yes, Robert Spencer did write the book: https://www.amazon.com/Islam-Unveiled-Disturbing-Questions-Fastest-Growing/dp/1893554775/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 It was not clear what you were implying in connection with the Tanners so I checked their website. It does not look like the Tanners have written a book detailing Islam.
longview Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 8 hours ago, The Nehor said: It is not ad hominem. I am not attempting to discredit his work by saying he is a bad person. I am saying his work is horrible and that makes him a bad person. He discredits himself. A key distinction. If I were DCP I would be offended. You are still majorly engaging in ad hominem. You say Robert Spencer's work is "horrible" but you do not go to the trouble of listing the first few most objectionable items and refuting them. You merely wave your hand to sweep them away. You do not speak for Daniel. I would love to see him chime in. I saw him speak at the Ballroom of the Wilkinson Center for Education Week at BYU last August.
The Nehor Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, longview said: You are still majorly engaging in ad hominem. You say Robert Spencer's work is "horrible" but you do not go to the trouble of listing the first few most objectionable items and refuting them. You merely wave your hand to sweep them away. You do not speak for Daniel. I would love to see him chime in. I saw him speak at the Ballroom of the Wilkinson Center for Education Week at BYU last August. I don’t want to go to that trouble. Sounds boring and it would not work as you would continue to defend him no matter what I came up with. So I am sticking with the “he is a xenophobic bigot” appraisal because his work is xenophobic bigotry.
Danzo Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 9 hours ago, The Nehor said: To be fair this has happened. We call them amnesties. Last amnesty was 17 years ago. Amnesties (Or as statue of limitations as we call it in the rest of the legal world) should be built into the system.
Rajah Manchou Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: I don’t want to go to that trouble. Sounds boring and it would not work as you would continue to defend him no matter what I came up with. So I am sticking with the “he is a xenophobic bigot” appraisal because his work is xenophobic bigotry. I went to the trouble. Took all but 3 minutes to debunk the lead story on his website, the story claiming that 100 Somalian refugees had lept the fence of an amusement park and were rioting inside. Minnesota: Muslim migrants riot at amusement park, forcing evacuation Zero evidence of it, and the police department clarified publicly that it was not a Somalian riot. Yet there it is, still up on JihadWatch.com, as the lead story. 1 hour ago, longview said: You are still majorly engaging in ad hominem. You say Robert Spencer's work is "horrible" but you do not go to the trouble of listing the first few most objectionable items and refuting them. The lead story on his web site has been refuted by law enforcement, and he has not removed it. His work is officially horrible. 3
RevTestament Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, longview said: Yes, Robert Spencer did write the book: https://www.amazon.com/Islam-Unveiled-Disturbing-Questions-Fastest-Growing/dp/1893554775/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 It was not clear what you were implying in connection with the Tanners so I checked their website. It does not look like the Tanners have written a book detailing Islam. The implication is that anyone who speaks up about Islam and its more radical fringes is a conspiracy theorist or kook. Further, they must be like those who unfairly maligned the LDS faith like Eber D Howe did in Mormonism Unvailed [sic]. Eber Howe really started the whole Spalding manuscript fiasco by printing Hurlbut's affadavits, and was apparently responsible for making up a story about another manuscript while hiding the first from the public, which only turned up years later in his personal effects after his death. It's a completely unfair smear against Spencer. I believe the reader should read Spencer's works and decide for themselves if he is some demagogue. He pulls stuff directly from the Islamic materials comprising Sharia law. He will teach you about the various schools of Islamic thought. I'd say his books provide important insights into the Islamic World. I'd also say it is true he tends to take a hard-line view of Islam - he is not going to promote the golden age of Islam - but then that is long gone, and what there is now exists after another thousand years of Islam. Nor is he going to teach you about the Indonesian version of Islam. When one actually reads what is in the Quran and the Hadith, I think it is like unveiling Islam. It's a lot different from what you will hear from the typical Muslim on the street corner. The thing is the typical Jew is not going to pull out his Torah and try to stone someone for fornication. Maybe the orthodox would favor that. So a lot depends on how the text is interpreted in the present, and that varies within Islam. Some Muslims are very peaceful. The late Nabeel Quereshi was a Christian convert from the minor Ahmadiyya sect of Islam. It does not follow interpretations of the Koran and Hadith favoring war and killing. But Spencer will probably tell you this too. On 9/25/2018 at 8:23 PM, The Nehor said: The fear of Sharia Law in the United States and Europe is spurred on by demagogues. Muslims consist of 1% of the United States population (and not all of them would support such a change) and somehow they are going to supplant our legal system and replace it with theirs unless we are vigilant and careful? Please.... There are a few Muslims that practice Sharia within their own communities but this is akin to non-binding arbitration. LDS used to do something like this for members where Bishops would judge disputes between members and issue a judgement but it was also not legally binding. This is not a threat either. Basically all true, but it is like you are arguing against the wind. I didn't say any of this stuff. I didn't imply that America is in danger of Sharia law taking over - nor did I imply that refugees are terrorists. It's almost like you are inferring that I am like one of these demagogues. I am only responding because of this. I do believe that there is a danger that some Muslims immigrating to the United States will try to live Sharia law for themselves. For some their interpretation of Sharia as God's law supercedes our constitution. People like this will just bypass the courts. If the Hadith says to kill those who leave Islam (which it does) they believe their duty is to do it. An example would be Anjem Choudary who I believe is now in an English jail. I don't think that dude has any business becoming an American citizen. All one has to do is listen to him to know how many levels of the constitution his Sharia beliefs and teachings violate. Should we ask questions about whether folks like this are going to abide by the constitution if they want to come to the United States? If that makes me a "demagogue" then so be it. There are cases of this already in the United States. There are also cases of female circumcisions of minors. They didn't try to get legal permission to do this. They just get their own Muslim doctors and do it knowing it's against the law of the land. Why? Because Muhammed said it in an hadith. Quote As to who they were fleeing.....some from Israel, a few fled from the Palestinian relocation camps, persecution in nations where they are a minority (India, a few others in Asia) and others just from regular secular conflict in their homelands. Refugees are rarely terrorists or a threat. For one thing the refugee process is insanely rigorous. It is easier in basically all cases to just get a visa to visit. Again nowhere did I even infer that refugees are terrorists. Rather, I said they often come here to escape persecution. Yet, you turn it completely around in your little speech. If you want to make your little speech fine, but don't pretend it's in response to me. You aren't teaching me anything I don't know. What I asked was do we want their persecutors to freely come here? They are much more likely to be bad citizens than the refugees. Hopefully, you will be as sympathetic to Christian refugees of the Islamic State of Iraq, which exists largely because Obama pulled out of Iraq. Where was the United States when Turkey pushed out about a million Armenian Christians after WW I? As for who the refugees are fleeing? Ironically it is largely due to the horrible policies of Barack Obama that Libyan and Syrian refugees are fleeing their homelands. After denouncing the involvement of the US in Iraq, Barack Obama backed various Muslim rebel sects favored by the Muslim Brotherhood in those countries which had been relatively stable and peaceful. Libya was becoming one of the most prosperous African nations, and Muammar Qaddafi had renounced terrorism and destroyed his WMD. Now it's a war-torn battlefield. Where is the outcry? The major difference is instead of sending American troops to fight, Obama just spent billions in weapons and air strikes free of charge to his Muslim Brotherhood friends. So spare me the bleeding heart liberal speech. For being a president who ran on a platform of ending war, his massive military spending speaks volumes. War funding actually went up over Pres Bush, and now there are millions of refugees because of Islam (and Obama). Edited September 27, 2018 by RevTestament
The Nehor Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rajah Manchou said: I went to the trouble. Took all but 3 minutes to debunk the lead story on his website, the story claiming that 100 Somalian refugees had lept the fence of an amusement park and were rioting inside. Minnesota: Muslim migrants riot at amusement park, forcing evacuation Zero evidence of it, and the police department clarified publicly that it was not a Somalian riot. Yet there it is, still up on JihadWatch.com, as the lead story. The lead story on his web site has been refuted by law enforcement, and he has not removed it. His work is officially horrible. I appreciate you wasting your time exposing this idiot as a fraud.
Rajah Manchou Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Nehor said: I appreciate you wasting your time exposing this idiot as a fraud. I already regret it. Clicked on another article that was claiming over 60 people had REAL FOOTAGE of Somalian RIOT in MINNESOTA! There isn't a single video of it to be found. The article claiming to have video evidence, didn't even have a single photograph. Yet people are still sharing those articles across Facebook. Its pretty horrible to be honest. 1
The Nehor Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rajah Manchou said: I already regret it. Clicked on another article that was claiming over 60 people had REAL FOOTAGE of Somalian RIOT in MINNESOTA! There isn't a single video of it to be found. The article claiming to have video evidence, didn't even have a single photograph. Yet people are still sharing those articles across Facebook. Its pretty horrible to be honest. Lying to yourself and others to foster hate is a diabolic impulse indulged in by people who imagine they are fundamentally good: “Suppose one reads a story of filthy atrocities in the paper. Then suppose that something turns up suggesting that the story might not be quite true, or not quite so bad as it was made out. Is one's first feeling, 'Thank God, even they aren't quite so bad as that,' or is it a feeling of disappointment, and even a determination to cling to the first story for the sheer pleasure of thinking your enemies are as bad as possible? If it is the second then it is, I am afraid, the first step in a process which, if followed to the end, will make us into devils. You see, one is beginning to wish that black was a little blacker. If we give that wish its head, later on we shall wish to see grey as black, and then to see white itself as black. Finally we shall insist on seeing everything -- God and our friends and ourselves included -- as bad, and not be able to stop doing it: we shall be fixed for ever in a universe of pure hatred” - C.S. Lewis They are wicked people. 3
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