Should legal immigrationbe easier?

[Calm]

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 The thing is the typical Jew is not going to pull out his Torah and try to stone someone for fornication. Maybe the orthodox would favor that

I highly doubt Orthodox Jews would favor stoning.

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

I highly doubt Orthodox Jews would favor stoning.

Due to a stone shortage?

[Danzo]

3 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Due to a stone shortage?

Being stoned is legal in my state.

[The Nehor]

1 minute ago, Danzo said:

Being stoned is legal in my state.

So when someone needs to get good and stoned do you hire professional or amateur stoners? Is the recipient given the weed free of charge by the stoners before they can get stoned?

[longview]

6 hours ago, Rajah Manchou said:

I already regret it. Clicked on another article that was claiming over 60 people had REAL FOOTAGE of Somalian RIOT in MINNESOTA! There isn't a single video of it to be found. The article claiming to have video evidence, didn't even have a single photograph. Yet people are still sharing those articles across Facebook.
 

There were 100 Somali rioters.  I found the video and tried to post it but Chrome (Google) blocked it with a 403 message (liberal censorship).  Here is the article - https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-video-somalis-riot-at-minnesota-amusement-park-forcing-evacuation/

[Rajah Manchou]

24 minutes ago, longview said:

There were 100 Somali rioters.  I found the video and tried to post it but Chrome (Google) blocked it with a 403 message (liberal censorship).  Here is the article - https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-video-somalis-riot-at-minnesota-amusement-park-forcing-evacuation/

You found the article I found. The one that claims to have an exclusive video of 100 rioting Somalians. But it doesn't. Here's the video unblocked by liberal censorship:

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1044703919379755008

Can you identify a single Somalian in that video? There's a video of a bunch of cars in a parking lot, a single police car, and some people standing around looking confused. But not a single indication that there is a rioting Somalian anywhere. The title of that article could just as easily be "EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Minnesota Vikings Riot at Minnesota Amusement Park, Forcing Evacuation" 

If 60-70 people recorded the Somalian Rioters with their phones like the article says, why are there no videos posted anywhere, including the article that makes that claim? The police department said there was no "Somalian Riot" so why is this claim still being made on JihadWatch.com? Why are you still saying there were 100 Somalian rioters?

Edited September 27, 2018 by Rajah Manchou

[Hamba Tuhan]

10 hours ago, longview said:

It was not clear what you were implying in connection with the Tanners so I checked their website.  It does not look like the Tanners have written a book detailing Islam.

No, but they're experts in 'Mormon' history and teachings and love to publish books telling everyone what we really believe and why we're a threat. It is essential to see through not just the unfair polemics directed at oneself but also the parallel unfair polemics directed at others. It's a really important facet of the Golden Rule.

[halconero]

This thread has gone exactly where I expected to go. I'll be succinct:

I'm a simple man. All I want in life is a Shawarma food truck managed by an immigrant Lebanese family that uses tariff-free imported ingredients, shipped along trade lanes protected by multilateral United Nations peacekeeping forces, paid for by central bank issued currency.

Is that too much to ask?

Edited September 28, 2018 by halconero

[halconero]

12 hours ago, Rain said:

I'm with you.  If people in all these countries are Heavenly Father's children then that makes them my brothers and sisters so it makes sense to me to be open to working with all my siblings and not just those in the boundaries of my country.

It's interesting to note that righteousness in the Book of Mormon is correlated with liberal immigration, refugee, and trade policies.

Just sayin'.

[longview]

4 hours ago, Rajah Manchou said:

Can you identify a single Somalian in that video? There's a video of a bunch of cars in a parking lot

These are amateurs standing by their cars hemmed in by the police.  They are NOT professional news reporters.  It sounded like they wanted to get home and stressed out by the mayhem.  They are certainly NOT going to approach the rioters to get better videos.  Why are you discounting the columnist account of the riot?  Why are you attempting to scrub the actual history of moslem misbehavior?

[Rajah Manchou]

6 hours ago, longview said:

These are amateurs standing by their cars hemmed in by the police.  They are NOT professional news reporters.  It sounded like they wanted to get home and stressed out by the mayhem. They are certainly NOT going to approach the rioters to get better videos.  Why are you discounting the columnist account of the riot?  Why are you attempting to scrub the actual history of moslem misbehavior?

Through the Internet, it usually takes less than 2 minutes to confirm or verify any claim. In this case it took about 1 minute, and another 2 minutes to highlight the official response from police on the scene. Do you believe the blogger (who wasn't there) or the police (who were there)?

 

[halconero]

1 hour ago, Rajah Manchou said:

Through the Internet, it usually takes less than 2 minutes to confirm or verify any claim. In this case it took about 1 minute, and another 2 minutes to highlight the official response from police on the scene. Do you believe the blogger (who wasn't there) or the police (who were there)?

 

To off this, let me give the case for immigration from a national security perspective. I know this because I advise government on this:

1. No one with any depth of knowledge on the subject treats creeping Sharia like it’s an actual thing. First off, which Sharia Law is creeping? Sunni? Shia? Ahmadi? Ibadi? Houthi? Wahhabi? Sufi? Sharia Law is divided into a series of schools, which themselves are intepreted by the various churches (no, they’re not called churches, but it’s easier to relate this way) of Islam.

Sharia Law can mean everything from a system of oppresive theocratic government (Wahhabi), to the equivalent of Handbooks 1 & 2 on how to run a mosque within a secular country (Ahmadi). There is no “Sharia Law” just like there isn’t one singular “Gospel Law” that’s universally accepted among Christianity.

2. Immigration and refugee policy is determined not just by humanitarian interests, but national security and geopolitical interests. The United States and Canada receive only a fraction of the world’s total refugees, but the ones we do agree to take are often the most vulnerable or the most costly to care for and protect. We agree to take these peope off the hands of countries like Jordan, Lebanon, and Turkey who handle millions more.

By agreeing to take them, we can leverage these countries to provide work permits, integration, and access to public services for their current refugees. The alternative is closing borders and ejecting refugees back to their home countries. Fully 33% of the times this has happened it’s been correlated with an almost immediate re-starting of civil wars, radicalization and increased human death toll. This was the case in Afghanistan and Somalia. The inverse is true where release the pressure valve in Nigeria and Uganda has brought stability, economic opporunith, and peace to the region. We take the vulnerable, so they take the lot, and the result is greater regional peace and the creation of less global terrorism.

3. Military and law enforcement recruitment among refugee populations is higher on a per capita basis than non-refugee populations, and is actually an area of focus right now. The majority of counter-terrorism intelligence right now of any value is the result of human connections within the community, including linguistic, religious, and cultural ties. The biggest example of this in Canada is Mubin Shaikh, a de-radicalized Canadian Muslim who went undercover for the RCMP and busted open the Toronto 18. There are many more classified and declassified cases, but we neuter ourselves intelligence wise if we take an anti-immigrant or anti-refugee stance. I can't say much, but we're already seeing the damage done among our US counterparts. They're looking at their own Sons of Helaman right now and going "nope."

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From a Gospel perspective mobility rights and asylum claims are both ancient and God-given. Periods of righteousness were always associated with free commerce and free movement in the Book of Mormon. Xenophobic attitudes were associated with wickedness. Asylum was granted, and its laws outlined under the Law of Moses, with its greatest examples being given as the Ammonites. Ancient Israel was commanded to respect and accept the foreigner, as they had been foreigners in Egypt.