Duncan Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, hope_for_things said: I suspect much of the information they receive is just echo chamber positive feedback. if that were true then how would they hear about Sam Young, Kate Kelly and OW, LGBTQ, John Dehlin, your critic of the week, gospel topic essays et al.? someone must be telling them otherwise there would not be responses to these issues. 2
hope_for_things Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Duncan said: as boring as some classes are I can't imagine how boring some presentations are at church HQ! I was reading last night about a financial presentation that was given by Wilford Edling to the First Presidency and others and Pres. Kimball kept nodding off! hhahahhaha! Both Presidents Tanner and Romney thought it was great but Pres. Kimball thought differently Can you imagine working at a business where the people you are presenting to and are in charge of making decisions are in their 70s, 80s and even and 90s? Yikes!
hope_for_things Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Duncan said: if that were true then how would they hear about Sam Young, Kate Kelly and OW, LGBTQ, John Dehlin, your critic of the week, gospel topic essays et al.? someone must be telling them otherwise there would not be responses to these issues. I think they have specific departments like the infamous Strengthening the Members Committee that look for and compile lists of risks to the image of the church. I just suspect that most of the feedback that active members give them is likely quite positive. I can imagine Bishops and SPs filtering out the negative in order to present a positive image to the brethren.
rongo Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Duncan said: as boring as some classes are I can't imagine how boring some presentations are at church HQ! I was reading last night about a financial presentation that was given by Wilford Edling to the First Presidency and others and Pres. Kimball kept nodding off! hhahahhaha! Both Presidents Tanner and Romney thought it was great but Pres. Kimball thought differently Which is why one would hope that they wouldn't purposefully foist bland, simplistic, correlated-to-death stuff on us. They are fathers, grandfathers, former students themselves. Would they have wanted to get two doses of "The Godhead" every Sunday in January for six years? I'm worried about the primary manuals being deep-sixed next year. Even more stories kids won't grow up hearing. We've kept all of the old manuals, and we use them in FHE sometimes. They are a great source of really good stories that a couple of generations now haven't had. 1
Popular Post Bernard Gui Posted August 27, 2018 Popular Post Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, hope_for_things said: Can you imagine working at a business where the people you are presenting to and are in charge of making decisions are in their 70s, 80s and even and 90s? Yikes! Being in my 70s I find this comment remarkably uninformed, insensitive, and prejudicial. Quote I think they have specific departments like the infamous Strengthening the Members Committee that look for and compile lists of risks to the image of the church. I just suspect that most of the feedback that active members give them is likely quite positive. I can imagine Bishops and SPs filtering out the negative in order to present a positive image to the brethren One can imagine all sorts of things. Edited August 27, 2018 by Bernard Gui 7
hope_for_things Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Bernard Gui said: Being in my 70s I find this comment remarkably uninformed, insensitive, and prejudicial. Sorry, no offense intended. People of this age have much they can contribute to society, but there is a reason that they typically aren't running large institutions at this age on average.
SouthernMo Posted August 27, 2018 Author Posted August 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, hope_for_things said: Sorry, no offense intended. People of this age have much they can contribute to society, but there is a reason that they typically aren't running large institutions at this age on average. Yes - it’s not uncommon for boards of companies to have mandatory retirement ages. 1
Calm Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, hope_for_things said: Can you imagine working at a business where the people you are presenting to and are in charge of making decisions are in their 70s, 80s and even and 90s? Yikes! It is not like it is a random selection of seniors though. 1
Calm Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 25 minutes ago, SouthernMo said: Yes - it’s not uncommon for boards of companies to have mandatory retirement ages. How much is that the 50 year olds wanting some chance at the wheel before they get too up there? 1
Atheist Mormon Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 20 hours ago, Calm said: The idea is great imo Yeah, sure....but it will never happen. This is one of the reasons why some people are leaving. Time will show an aging Church, unfortunately.
ksfisher Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 40 minutes ago, SouthernMo said: Yes - it’s not uncommon for boards of companies to have mandatory retirement ages. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. (Isaiah 55:8) 2
hope_for_things Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 44 minutes ago, Calm said: It is not like it is a random selection of seniors though. No, I guess its somewhat similar that way in that the top performers rise up through the ranks. Is that what you're talking about the way that LDS leaders are selected, or are you making a different point?
Duncan Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, hope_for_things said: Can you imagine working at a business where the people you are presenting to and are in charge of making decisions are in their 70s, 80s and even and 90s? Yikes! people of experience!
SouthernMo Posted August 27, 2018 Author Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Calm said: How much is that the 50 year olds wanting some chance at the wheel before they get too up there? Boards are getting younger. Between 2016, and 2017, the average age of the boards of Fortune 500 companies fell 1.2 years - continuing a 5-year trend. 1
hope_for_things Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 39 minutes ago, Duncan said: people of experience! And dementia
Duncan Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, hope_for_things said: And dementia very, very rarely
hope_for_things Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, Duncan said: very, very rarely Well perhaps corporate America should start head hunting in these older generations with all that talent going to waste. Who new the free market had missed out on such an incredible opportunity. 1
Duncan Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, hope_for_things said: Well perhaps corporate America should start head hunting in these older generations with all that talent going to waste. Who new the free market had missed out on such an incredible opportunity. now you got it! Look at how alert and fit President Nelson is
hope_for_things Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 57 minutes ago, Duncan said: now you got it! Look at how alert and fit President Nelson is Move over Mark Zuckerberg, a guy the age of your great grandpa is alert and coming for your job. 😂
Duncan Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) Just now, hope_for_things said: Move over Mark Zuckerberg, a guy the age of your great grandpa is alert and coming for your job. 😂 we'll see where Facebook is after 188 years and I doubt Zuckerberg ever claimed Christ is leading Facebook Edited August 28, 2018 by Duncan
hope_for_things Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Duncan said: we'll see where Facebook is after 188 years and I doubt Zuckerberg ever claimed Christ is leading Facebook Not only are these alert leaders old but they are also claiming divine guidance. Perhaps the secret sauce for success. 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 23 minutes ago, hope_for_things said: Not only are these alert leaders old but they are also claiming divine guidance. Perhaps the secret sauce for success. Only if they actually are ... 1
Calm Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Atheist Mormon said: Yeah, sure....but it will never happen. This is one of the reasons why some people are leaving. Time will show an aging Church, unfortunately. It is not logistically feasible, imo. I think a ward would suffer if it had a drop in bishop for a couple of months. Takes long enough for a regular bishop to get up to speed. I don't see how even an apostle could run a ward organization for a month effectively. Nice idea, nice ideal. Unrealistic though. Edited August 28, 2018 by Calm 1
Scott Lloyd Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 9 hours ago, hope_for_things said: Sorry, no offense intended. People of this age have much they can contribute to society, but there is a reason that they typically aren't running large institutions at this age on average. Could it be that most people prefer to enjoy retirement when they are in a position to do so? No one currently occupying a General Authority position in the Church of Jesus Christ sought or applied for that position. That’s not how things work. For one who intended “no offense,” your subsequent comments on this thread have been markedly offensive. 3
rodheadlee Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, hope_for_things said: Sorry, no offense intended. People of this age have much they can contribute to society, but there is a reason that they typically aren't running large institutions at this age on average. Bernie Sanders is 76 Hillary Clinton is 70 these people could have been your president of the entire nation, the president is 72 years old. Edited August 28, 2018 by rodheadlee 2
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