ALarson Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) This is horrible if the allegations are true: "Ex-fertility doctor facing suit for using his own sperm is a former Mormon mission and temple president" https://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2018/04/04/ex-fertility-doctor-facing-suit-for-using-his-own-sperm-is-a-former-mormon-mission-and-temple-president/ Does anyone know more about this? Here's a quotes from the article: Quote Gerald E. Mortimer, the retired obstetrician/gynecologist who allegedly used his own sperm to impregnate a patient undergoing artificial insemination, served as president of an LDS Church temple and a church mission in the Philippines. A lawsuit filed last week in U.S. District Court in Idaho names Mortimer, Linda G. McKinnon Mortimer, and Obstetrics and Gynecology Associates of Idaho Falls as defendants, accusing them of fraud and medical negligence. A news release from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints dated Oct. 3, 2009 announced Gerald Elbert Mortimer and wife Linda Gay McKinnon Mortimer as the president and matron, respectively, of the then-new Cebu City Philippines Temple. Gerald Mortimer previously served as president of the Philippines San Pablo Mission and was also the area medical adviser for the Idaho Pocatello and Idaho Boise missions. Mortimer is originally from Payson, Utah, and his wife was born in Logan. Edited April 5, 2018 by ALarson
Popular Post CA Steve Posted April 5, 2018 Popular Post Posted April 5, 2018 I believe the term for this is: Non-consensual donation. 5
carbon dioxide Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, ALarson said: This is horrible if the allegations are true: "Ex-fertility doctor facing suit for using his own sperm is a former Mormon mission and temple president" https://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2018/04/04/ex-fertility-doctor-facing-suit-for-using-his-own-sperm-is-a-former-mormon-mission-and-temple-president/ Does anyone know more about this? Here's a quotes from the article: A DNA test will confirm if this is true or not and then we can go from there.
Jeanne Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 I read about this earlier and was absolutely stunned. This so outta nowhere .a new what, where and why story.
ALarson Posted April 5, 2018 Author Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, carbon dioxide said: A DNA test will confirm if this is true or not and then we can go from there. There has already been a DNA test (or at least a match by ancestry.com from both). I'm sure there will be more testing done just to make sure though. However he was the mother's fertility doctor.
CA Steve Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, carbon dioxide said: A DNA test will confirm if this is true or not and then we can go from there. delete cause ALarson types faster than me. oh and now we can call the doctor the non-consensual-biological father. Edited April 5, 2018 by CA Steve
ALarson Posted April 5, 2018 Author Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, CA Steve said: delete cause ALarson types faster than me. Ha!
carbon dioxide Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, ALarson said: There has already been a DNA test (or at least a match by ancestry.com from both). I'm sure there will be more testing done just to make sure though. However he was the mother's fertility doctor. Ok. With the new features at the Trib, I only get 10 free article a month to read so I have to be careful at what articles I spend my 10 freebies on. I refuse to pay 8 bucks a month for the Trib. That is almost an Amazon prime membership cost.
ALarson Posted April 5, 2018 Author Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) Here's more information in Time Magazine: http://time.com/5227909/ancestry-dna-fertility-biological-father/ And in the New York Post: https://nypost.com/2018/04/03/my-biological-dad-turned-out-to-by-my-moms-fertility-doc/ Edited April 5, 2018 by ALarson
carbon dioxide Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) "The couple specified that they would only do the procedure if the donor was a college student, over 6-feet tall, with brown hair and blue eyes." I get they wanted a particular type of baby in terms of looks but the "college student" angle is a little weird. Just because somebody is a college student does not mean they are smart. Perhaps they should have specified GPA as a factor. Another story from the 80s. Seems like the 80s just seem to be popping up a lot. Might have to listen to more 80s music since that seems to be the trend lately. Edited April 5, 2018 by carbon dioxide
Duncan Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 If he didn't have "relations" with her, I don't know what he would get out of it other than his genetic donation, it's super weird though!
JAHS Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, carbon dioxide said: Ok. With the new features at the Trib, I only get 10 free article a month to read so I have to be careful at what articles I spend my 10 freebies on. I refuse to pay 8 bucks a month for the Trib. That is almost an Amazon prime membership cost. Change to another browser and you can get more articles. I use Google chrome but if I switch to IE instead I can still see articles (not that I really want to see trib articles).
ALarson Posted April 5, 2018 Author Posted April 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, Duncan said: If he didn't have "relations" with her, I don't know what he would get out of it other than his genetic donation, it's super weird though! Well, there may be others he fathered too (hopefully not). Also, he had to sin to accomplish it (If you consider masturbation a sin).
Calm Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 42 minutes ago, CA Steve said: I believe the term for this is: Non-consensual donation. I wonder if this is going to last longer than the "ponderize" comments.
Duncan Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, ALarson said: Well, there may be others he fathered too (hopefully not). Also, he had to sin to accomplish it (If you consider masturbation a sin). I can't get the trib online he did that to "release the hounds" as it were? yikes! I don't consider it a sin! not good, but not a sin 1
carbon dioxide Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, JAHS said: Change to another browser and you can get more articles. I use Google chrome but if I switch to IE instead I can still see articles (not that I really want to see trib articles). I will try that. Thanks.
Calm Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, Duncan said: If he didn't have "relations" with her, I don't know what he would get out of it other than his genetic donation, it's super weird though! Law and Order did an episode eons ago iirc (could have been another show). The doctor benefitted by saving money on storage and processing of sperm, not sure about paying donors. Also a huge ego thing. Have no clue if matches the reality, just thought it was a weird deja vu. Wonder how frequently it actually happens. 2
ALarson Posted April 5, 2018 Author Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Calm said: Law and Order did an episode eons ago iirc (could have been another show). The doctor benefitted by saving money on storage and processing of sperm, not sure about paying donors. Also a huge ego thing. Have no clue if matches the reality, just thought it was a weird deja vu. Wonder how frequently it actually happens. I wonder that as well. I know I have read of other cases where the doctor was using his own sperm and fathered many children. I'm a bit amazed that he would have had his DNA done by ancestry.com (or is there another way they would have it?). He had to have known there was a chance he'd be matched with her (and possibly others?).
Calm Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 31 minutes ago, carbon dioxide said: "The couple specified that they would only do the procedure if the donor was a college student, over 6-feet tall, with brown hair and blue eyes." I get they wanted a particular type of baby in terms of looks but the "college student" angle is a little weird. Just because somebody is a college student does not mean they are smart. Perhaps they should have specified GPA as a factor. Another story from the 80s. Seems like the 80s just seem to be popping up a lot. Might have to listen to more 80s music since that seems to be the trend lately. College students tend to be healthier and probably more talented and smarter on average, but yeah, I would have asked for more specific requirements if that was what I was interested in. Otoh, that may be shorthand for several requirements.
Calm Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, ALarson said: I wonder that as well. I know I have read of other cases where the doctor was using his own sperm and fathered many children. I'm a bit amazed that he would have had his DNA done by ancestry.com (or is there another way they would have it?). He had to have known there was a chance he'd be matched with her (and possibly others?). Haven't read the article yet. Maybe he is old enough he wants to know his legacy more than worried about being caught and actually hoped it would happen in a moment of stupidity. Maybe the family did it as a project and he couldn't figure out how to get out of it. Maybe he is senile. Edited April 5, 2018 by Calm 1
toon Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Calm said: Law and Order did an episode eons ago iirc (could have been another show). The doctor benefitted by saving money on storage and processing of sperm, not sure about paying donors. Also a huge ego thing. Have no clue if matches the reality, just thought it was a weird deja vu. Wonder how frequently it actually happens. That was probably my guess, that the doctor saved on costs. I just read that a donor can make around $100 per donation in the US. Add to that the additional costs of paying employee wages and benefits, equipment and facilities, storage, etc., and the cost to the doctor may be quite high. Not the first time this has happened: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-jail-fertility-doctor-impregnate-patients_us_5a342aace4b01d429cc8b196 In the linked article, the Indiana doctor claimed that he used his own sperm because he didn't have regular access to fresh sperm.
Prof Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 hour ago, carbon dioxide said: A DNA test will confirm if this is true or not and then we can go from there. This is a job for Maury Povich!!! 1
Tacenda Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, carbon dioxide said: "The couple specified that they would only do the procedure if the donor was a college student, over 6-feet tall, with brown hair and blue eyes." I get they wanted a particular type of baby in terms of looks but the "college student" angle is a little weird. Just because somebody is a college student does not mean they are smart. Perhaps they should have specified GPA as a factor. Another story from the 80s. Seems like the 80s just seem to be popping up a lot. Might have to listen to more 80s music since that seems to be the trend lately. This is a fairly new story actually. It happened in 79' or '80, but the child then found out by sending in a DNA sample to Ancestry.com. http://time.com/5227909/ancestry-dna-fertility-biological-father/ "But in July 2017, Ashby and Fowler’s daughter Kelli Rowlette “received a notification on Ancestry.com that a DNA sample she had submitted matched with Dr. Mortimer’s DNA sample,” according to the complaint. “Ancestry.com predicted a parent-child relationship between Dr. Mortimer and Mrs. Rowlette.” Rowlette, who is also listed as a plaintiff, did not know who Dr. Mortimer was when she saw the notification." Edited April 5, 2018 by Tacenda
Calm Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) I just do not know what has happened to the quality of writing for news magazines (Time): "Ashby told Folwer, and the two of them allegedly anguished over whether to tell their daughter." "Allegedly anguished", seriously? And they misspelled the name. Edited April 5, 2018 by Calm
Calm Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, toon said: That was probably my guess, that the doctor saved on costs. I just read that a donor can make around $100 per donation in the US. Add to that the additional costs of paying employee wages and benefits, equipment and facilities, storage, etc., and the cost to the doctor may be quite high. Not the first time this has happened: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-jail-fertility-doctor-impregnate-patients_us_5a342aace4b01d429cc8b196 In the linked article, the Indiana doctor claimed that he used his own sperm because he didn't have regular access to fresh sperm. Here is a Dutch doctor: https://www.jdjournal.com/2017/05/16/fertility-doctor-allegedly-swapped-sperm-with-his-own/amp/ Maybe doctors will quit doing it given the DNA testing options these days. Or maybe fertility clinics will start offering outside DNA testing services to demonstrate they are credible. Edited April 5, 2018 by Calm
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