mfbukowski Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 When you testify about the Spirit of God you invite that spirit to be with you. When you testify about the spirit of Lucifer, you invite....... Oh never mind!
mnn727 Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) On 3/1/2018 at 1:45 PM, Jeanne said: In some threads we have been talking about the devil..surprised at some different ideas about this. Was wondering if any of you had it experiences with the Ouija board in your younger years..out of curiosity or otherwise and your experience and what you might felt about that experience. Yes, when I was a kid, my older brother was a master at manipulating the pointer of the Ouija board, but if you mean a supernatural experience, no. He was also good at making tables rise. Edited March 5, 2018 by mnn727 2
Tacenda Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 I don't understand how some LDS don't believe in ghosts. My husband is very skeptical. if we can invite the spirit as is mentioned over and over in meetings etc. Why can't we invite a bad spirit? Or a bad ghost that lingers here on earth, maybe their hell? Just wonder, not to hi-jack Jeanne's post here, how many of you on this board believe in ghosts? I just can't believe my husband is so skeptical about beings on the other side, or connecting with them.
hope_for_things Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I don't understand how some LDS don't believe in ghosts. My husband is very skeptical. if we can invite the spirit as is mentioned over and over in meetings etc. Why can't we invite a bad spirit? Or a bad ghost that lingers here on earth, maybe their hell? Just wonder, not to hi-jack Jeanne's post here, how many of you on this board believe in ghosts? I just can't believe my husband is so skeptical about beings on the other side, or connecting with them. I lost my belief in ghosts and spirits with my faith transition. In my orthodox days I couldn't even watch scary movies if they had an element of spiritual super-naturalism to them. I didn't even watch "The Sixth Sense" until just a few years ago because I just knew it would give me nightmares. I now can watch all these movies and they don't faze me whatsoever. I have family members who claim to have had experiences with the dead. I think their experiences are real to them, but these experiences are just something they are experiencing in their mind. The mind and our emotions can have a very powerful effect on our ability to perceive what is happening. Its so powerful that it can make us think we see and hear things that aren't actually there in the physical world. Now, lest I get in trouble with MFB, I will also state that these experiences are qualitatively as real as if they were actually visited by a spirit of their deceased relative, but I don't believe that the deceased, if they do continue to exist in some way, have any means of communicating with the living.
Tsuzuki Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, hope_for_things said: And yes, the meals were fine, we wouldn't turn down a good meal no matter how uncomfortable the setting was at the time. Good to hear.
The Nehor Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 48 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I don't understand how some LDS don't believe in ghosts. My husband is very skeptical. if we can invite the spirit as is mentioned over and over in meetings etc. Why can't we invite a bad spirit? Or a bad ghost that lingers here on earth, maybe their hell? Just wonder, not to hi-jack Jeanne's post here, how many of you on this board believe in ghosts? I just can't believe my husband is so skeptical about beings on the other side, or connecting with them. I am not sure what to make of ghost stories. If I was convinced one was around I would exorcise it. I know enough about mediums and the rather simple tricks they use to doubt they have any spiritual power. If they do they are misusing it. Their messages also tend to the banal and dull. If they are communicating for the dead they seem to attract the incredibly boring dead who pass on vague emotional froth. In LDS teaching the spirits of the dead can aid us and bless us but conversation and that help originate on their side of the veil. If I need help I pray to God. If my grandpa is then sent to help me great. I do not seek contact with my grandpa to importune him for help. 2
The Nehor Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, hope_for_things said: I lost my belief in ghosts and spirits with my faith transition. In my orthodox days I couldn't even watch scary movies if they had an element of spiritual super-naturalism to them. I didn't even watch "The Sixth Sense" until just a few years ago because I just knew it would give me nightmares. I now can watch all these movies and they don't faze me whatsoever. I have family members who claim to have had experiences with the dead. I think their experiences are real to them, but these experiences are just something they are experiencing in their mind. The mind and our emotions can have a very powerful effect on our ability to perceive what is happening. Its so powerful that it can make us think we see and hear things that aren't actually there in the physical world. Now, lest I get in trouble with MFB, I will also state that these experiences are qualitatively as real as if they were actually visited by a spirit of their deceased relative, but I don't believe that the deceased, if they do continue to exist in some way, have any means of communicating with the living. I had the opposite reaction. I used to be scared of scary movies but after experiences with spirits and demons they just are not scary. I guess knowing a little more made them less scary. I am more scared of sharks now than demons.
Popular Post phaedrus ut Posted March 5, 2018 Popular Post Posted March 5, 2018 Have you ever noticed that the ouiji board stops working correctly once the participants are blindfolded? Sure it'll move but the ghost forgets how to spell. 6
The Nehor Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, phaedrus ut said: Have you ever noticed that the ouiji board stops working correctly once the participants are blindfolded? Sure it'll move but the ghost forgets how to spell. Ghosts are incredibly stupid. They figure if you cannot see they cannot either and thus cannot see the board anymore. It is known. Edited March 5, 2018 by The Nehor 1
CV75 Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 56 minutes ago, hope_for_things said: I lost my belief in ghosts and spirits with my faith transition. In my orthodox days I couldn't even watch scary movies if they had an element of spiritual super-naturalism to them. I didn't even watch "The Sixth Sense" until just a few years ago because I just knew it would give me nightmares. I now can watch all these movies and they don't faze me whatsoever. I have family members who claim to have had experiences with the dead. I think their experiences are real to them, but these experiences are just something they are experiencing in their mind. The mind and our emotions can have a very powerful effect on our ability to perceive what is happening. Its so powerful that it can make us think we see and hear things that aren't actually there in the physical world. Now, lest I get in trouble with MFB, I will also state that these experiences are qualitatively as real as if they were actually visited by a spirit of their deceased relative, but I don't believe that the deceased, if they do continue to exist in some way, have any means of communicating with the living. Interesting that the belief in ghosts and spirits would cause nightmares. Wouldn't a faith transition also allow continued belief in them without the associated fear? Some people believe in them but don't get nightmares from "The Sixth Sense" and the like. What is it that really causes the fear, especially when one person experiences it and another doesn't? 1
bluebell Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, phaedrus ut said: Have you ever noticed that the ouiji board stops working correctly once the participants are blindfolded? Sure it'll move but the ghost forgets how to spell.
CV75 Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 39 minutes ago, phaedrus ut said: Have you ever noticed that the ouiji board stops working correctly once the participants are blindfolded? Sure it'll move but the ghost forgets how to spell. He's spelling in tongues... the pure language of Mahan.
bluebell Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: I don't understand how some LDS don't believe in ghosts. My husband is very skeptical. if we can invite the spirit as is mentioned over and over in meetings etc. Why can't we invite a bad spirit? Or a bad ghost that lingers here on earth, maybe their hell? Just wonder, not to hi-jack Jeanne's post here, how many of you on this board believe in ghosts? I just can't believe my husband is so skeptical about beings on the other side, or connecting with them. I believe in Spirits but I don't really believe in Ghosts as the secular world describes them. First, I don't believe that people (good or bad) have the ability to choose to hang around bugging the living. I believe the scriptures when they say that the spirits of those who have died go to paradise or spirit prison, and though I also believe that those in paradise can interact with us on earth, I think they only can when given permission and for specific reasons. Second, I do believe that places can have an atmosphere which attracts evil spirits and that if people go into those places exercising 'faith' in those evil spirits (looking for them or believing in their ability to interact with them), that they do gain power to manifest in different ways and to interact with the living, but I don't believe that those interactions are the spirits of those who have passed away. 2
hope_for_things Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, CV75 said: Interesting that the belief in ghosts and spirits would cause nightmares. Wouldn't a faith transition also allow continued belief in them without the associated fear? Some people believe in them but don't get nightmares from "The Sixth Sense" and the like. What is it that really causes the fear, especially when one person experiences it and another doesn't? I'm not sure how other's experience things, this is just how I did. Many people go through faith transitions differently that I do. I'm sure some might even become more scared because of losing that sense of certainty and order that religious structure attempts to provide. What causes fear I think is a complex question and one I'm not versed in. Any psychologists in the house?
CV75 Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, hope_for_things said: I'm not sure how other's experience things, this is just how I did. Many people go through faith transitions differently that I do. I'm sure some might even become more scared because of losing that sense of certainty and order that religious structure attempts to provide. What causes fear I think is a complex question and one I'm not versed in. Any psychologists in the house? That’s what I’m thinking. Not all faith transitions abandon the belief in ghosts and spirits while enhancing faith in Jesus Christ, without necessarily increasing and often allowing the reduction of the fear of either.
Jeanne Posted March 5, 2018 Author Posted March 5, 2018 4 hours ago, mnn727 said: Yes, when I was a kid, my older brother was a master at manipulating the pointer of the Ouija board, but if you mean a supernatural experience, no. He was also good at making tables rise. I have seen this too,...and it still gave me the heebie jeebies!
Jeanne Posted March 5, 2018 Author Posted March 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Tacenda said: I don't understand how some LDS don't believe in ghosts. My husband is very skeptical. if we can invite the spirit as is mentioned over and over in meetings etc. Why can't we invite a bad spirit? Or a bad ghost that lingers here on earth, maybe their hell? Just wonder, not to hi-jack Jeanne's post here, how many of you on this board believe in ghosts? I just can't believe my husband is so skeptical about beings on the other side, or connecting with them. Do I believe in ghosts???Boo! I do! I tend to think these spirit ghosts are in limbo here on earth for reason we may not understand...but they do....Boo!
Rain Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Tacenda said: I don't understand how some LDS don't believe in ghosts. My husband is very skeptical. if we can invite the spirit as is mentioned over and over in meetings etc. Why can't we invite a bad spirit? Or a bad ghost that lingers here on earth, maybe their hell? Just wonder, not to hi-jack Jeanne's post here, how many of you on this board believe in ghosts? I just can't believe my husband is so skeptical about beings on the other side, or connecting with them. I feel like Bluebell does. I also think that those evil spirits can portray themselves as "good". They can pretend to be the little girls that lived there 100 years ago and died tragically. Its just another one of their deceptions. 1
bluebell Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rain said: I also think that those evil spirits can portray themselves as "good". They can pretend to be the little girls that lived there 100 years ago and died tragically. Its just another one of their deceptions. Yes, that's how I see those kinds of 'ghosts' too. 1
cinepro Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, phaedrus ut said: Have you ever noticed that the ouiji board stops working correctly once the participants are blindfolded? Sure it'll move but the ghost forgets how to spell. I have to admit that even though I understand that Mormons are just as prone to superstition as anyone else (and perhaps more prone than some people), the Ouija board is such a silly idea and so easy to falsify that I'm disappointed anyone believes in it. It's like a baseline for gullibility, and it would probably be a good baseline to first find out if someone believes in Ouija boards before taking their advice on anything having to do with the supernatural world. That being said, here's what the good Elder McConkie had to say, and this was taken as the gospel truth by the families I knew growing up: Quote Ouija Boards (Ouija Boards ) See MEDIUMS, SEANCES, SPIRITUALISM. Ouija boards are trademarked devices used by spiritualist mediums in receiving messages from evil spirits. Marked with the alphabet and various signs, and having a planchette with a pointer instead of a pencil, the boards are used by mediums at seances to spell out words and otherwise receive answers to questions. Not all professing mediums have communion with evil spirits and ouija boards might be used by them or others under circumstances in which nothing but false and futile attempts at such communion are involved. But their use, even under circumstances classified wholly as amusement is extremely unwise. Those who use the devil's tools for any purpose may soon find themselves influenced and controlled by him. In the hands of mediums who have actual contact with evil and unseen forces, the use of ouija boards is a wicked and devilish thing. Wise persons never seek revelation or guidance through communion with Satan. Edited March 5, 2018 by cinepro
Jeanne Posted March 5, 2018 Author Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) Here is a question...after all these responses (for which I appreciate)...this game..should we say..is a perfect game/and or situation for which if Satan really wanted to play...why doesn't he?What I mean is apparently, none of us really take this super seriously..why doesn't Satan play the game..when so obviously he is teased to play? Note that I am glad in my own experience..that he did not..at least sever me from a spirit that I know and love. Edited March 5, 2018 by Jeanne
bluebell Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jeanne said: Here is a question...after all these responses (for which I appreciate)...this game..should we say..is a perfect game/and or situation for which if Satan really wanted to play...why doesn't he?What I mean is apparently, none of us really take this super seriously..why doesn't Satan play the game..when so obviously he is teased to play? Note that I am glad in my own experience..that he did not..at least sever me from a spirit that I know and love. From my perspective, I don't think he can just manipulate the physical world whenever he gets the whim. I think we have to give him power in some way.
Jeanne Posted March 5, 2018 Author Posted March 5, 2018 Bluebell, I am leaning to your way of thinking too...Satan is strong...but weaker than the tiniest spirits that have been enveloped in God. 1
Tacenda Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 5 hours ago, bluebell said: I believe in Spirits but I don't really believe in Ghosts as the secular world describes them. First, I don't believe that people (good or bad) have the ability to choose to hang around bugging the living. I believe the scriptures when they say that the spirits of those who have died go to paradise or spirit prison, and though I also believe that those in paradise can interact with us on earth, I think they only can when given permission and for specific reasons. Second, I do believe that places can have an atmosphere which attracts evil spirits and that if people go into those places exercising 'faith' in those evil spirits (looking for them or believing in their ability to interact with them), that they do gain power to manifest in different ways and to interact with the living, but I don't believe that those interactions are the spirits of those who have passed away. I once went on a ghost tour in Park City, I remember the guy that took us on the tour said, be careful sometimes the ghosts go with you or follow you home. He probably said it to scare us, and that he did!
bluebell Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: I once went on a ghost tour in Park City, I remember the guy that took us on the tour said, be careful sometimes the ghosts go with you or follow you home. He probably said it to scare us, and that he did! I think doing something like that would be fun.
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