Calm Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, strappinglad said: Suits by Kleinsaucer and Wipf. Probably only Calm will get the reference. Too obscure for even Dennis Miller. Kleinsasser.... (it is bizarre how many times those names show up together on google) Edited October 5, 2017 by Calm
strappinglad Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Calm said: Kleinsasser.... German spelling is not my strong suit. Please note the subtle connection to Calvin. 1
BCSpace Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 On 10/2/2017 at 4:01 PM, hope_for_things said: I predicted the slippery slope arguments from the start. :-) Fun that an alum picked up on this as well. Instead of slippery slope, I think it's a way to keep apostates busy and thinking progress is being made without actually letting them get anywhere.
Calm Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 18 minutes ago, strappinglad said: German spelling is not my strong suit. Please note the subtle connection to Calvin. If I had half a brain and some graphic skills tonight, I am sure you just provided me with a great opening.
PeterPear Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 8 hours ago, Danzo said: Obedience to to what? There is no facial hair commandment for church worthiness. I think it would inspire more respect for worthiness standards if they were not mixed with a desire to enforce social conformity. I have served in wards and branches where the entire bishopric would not be allowed to go to BYU. BYU even relies on these people to ecclesiastically endorse BYU students. Obedience to an honor code that BYU students sign a pledge to obey. You never heard of it? You nor any member of a Bishopric don't have to attend BYU. But if you do, you have to comport yourself to its Honor Code. https://policy.byu.edu/view/index.php?p=26
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 10:44 AM, The Nehor said: Having to wear a shirt is also 100% cultural. Time to get rid of all these outdated cultural artifacts. This past Sunday, our bearded first counsellor was wearing a black shirt. I think we may be ahead of you...
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 51 minutes ago, PeterPear said: You nor any member of a Bishopric don't have to attend BYU. But if you do, you have to comport yourself to its Honor Code. 10 hours ago, smac97 said: I don't think anyone has suggested a correlation between facial hair and worthiness. The problem as I've experienced it is that some who've learnt to comport themselves to BYU's arbitrary honour code often then spread the idea that there's a correlation between facial hair and worthiness. Not a fan. When I was serving with the stake presidency a few years back, we received a letter inviting us to nominate interesting members for local versions of the 'I'm a Mormon' video spots. In the letter, Church leaders actually had to remind us not to overlook men with facial hair as potential nominees. 2
hope_for_things Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 11 hours ago, BCSpace said: Instead of slippery slope, I think it's a way to keep apostates busy and thinking progress is being made without actually letting them get anywhere. Those apostates, always focusing on worldly things like caffeine and growing facial hair, I'm surprised God has the patience for their wicked ways.
pogi Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 10 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: This past Sunday, our bearded first counsellor was wearing a black shirt. I think we may be ahead of you... My branch president in the Philippines would wear a polo shirt with a playboy bunny logo embroidered on it to church. You guys still have a ways to go...
Danzo Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, PeterPear said: Obedience to an honor code that BYU students sign a pledge to obey. You never heard of it? You nor any member of a Bishopric don't have to attend BYU. But if you do, you have to comport yourself to its Honor Code. https://policy.byu.edu/view/index.php?p=26 I don't attend BYU, Haven't had a chance to wear those robes of the false priesthood. Although there is much to be admired by the Honor Code, Some of the honor code has little to do with honor, and more to do with Conformity to certain cultural (not religious) lifestyle. Perhaps BYU could have two codes. an "Honor Code" which deals with things that have to do with "Honor" and a "cultural code" that has to do with enforcing certain dress and grooming styles preferred by Utah culture. Edited October 5, 2017 by Danzo 2
Jeanne Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 45 minutes ago, Danzo said: I don't attend BYU, Haven't had a chance to wear those robes of the false priesthood. Although there is much to be admired by the Honor Code, Some of the honor code has little to do with honor, and more to do with Conformity to certain cultural (not religious) lifestyle. Perhaps BYU could have two codes. an "Honor Code" which deals with things that have to do with "Honor" and a cultural code with have to do with enforcing certain dress and grooming styles preferred by Utah culture. It is all about obedience.
Amulek Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 55 minutes ago, Jeanne said: It is all about obedience. To the extent that keeping your word actually means doing what you have agreed to do, then I suppose there is a certain sense in which you can think of it in terms of obedience. I tend to think of it more like keeping a commitment though. For example, when I married my wife, I committed to be faithful to her. Is keeping that commitment a matter of obedience? On some level, maybe, but I honestly don't usually think of it that way, if that makes sense. 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 3 hours ago, pogi said: My branch president in the Philippines would wear a polo shirt with a playboy bunny logo embroidered on it to church. You guys still have a ways to go... Sure, but I bet he couldn't even grow a beard if he'd wanted... 1
Danzo Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jeanne said: It is all about obedience. Maybe they could make a rule that they have to all wear Mexican sombreros, It would accomplish the same thing. 2
Danzo Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 22 minutes ago, Amulek said: To the extent that keeping your word actually means doing what you have agreed to do, then I suppose there is a certain sense in which you can think of it in terms of obedience. I tend to think of it more like keeping a commitment though. For example, when I married my wife, I committed to be faithful to her. Is keeping that commitment a matter of obedience? On some level, maybe, but I honestly don't usually think of it that way, if that makes sense. Does you wife prohibit facial hair? My wife will let me go a few days, but then she makes me shave
Jeanne Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 31 minutes ago, Amulek said: To the extent that keeping your word actually means doing what you have agreed to do, then I suppose there is a certain sense in which you can think of it in terms of obedience. I tend to think of it more like keeping a commitment though. For example, when I married my wife, I committed to be faithful to her. Is keeping that commitment a matter of obedience? On some level, maybe, but I honestly don't usually think of it that way, if that makes sense. Yes..and what you are talking about is very important...beards...not so much.
Jeanne Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, Danzo said: Maybe they could make a rule that they have to all wear Mexican sombreros, It would accomplish the same thing. Yep...same difference. 1
pogi Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 44 minutes ago, Danzo said: My wife will let me go a few days, but then she makes me shave
Amulek Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Danzo said: Does you wife prohibit facial hair? My wife will let me go a few days, but then she makes me shave Well, technically, she doesn't prohibit facial hair, but she doesn't kiss men with facial hair either, so it's sort of a defacto ban as far as I'm concerned.
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 33 minutes ago, Amulek said: Well, technically, she doesn't prohibit facial hair, but she doesn't kiss men with facial hair either, so it's sort of a defacto ban as far as I'm concerned. That was my mum's rule, too. And because of the tiny but genetically dominant Middle Eastern influence in my dad's ancestry, that meant he shaved both morning and night. I still feel bad for him. 1
Calm Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 7 hours ago, Danzo said: I don't attend BYU, Haven't had a chance to wear those robes of the false priesthood. Although there is much to be admired by the Honor Code, Some of the honor code has little to do with honor, and more to do with Conformity to certain cultural (not religious) lifestyle. Perhaps BYU could have two codes. an "Honor Code" which deals with things that have to do with "Honor" and a "cultural code" that has to do with enforcing certain dress and grooming styles preferred by Utah culture. It is not Utah culture anymore from what I have seen. Beards are quite popular around here.
Calm Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 4 hours ago, Danzo said: Does you wife prohibit facial hair? My wife will let me go a few days, but then she makes me shave Beard is preferred by me for my husband, but his choice in the end. He enjoys not shaving most of the time, thank goodness. I will have to ask him is the length is due to my preference, I don't like it very long.
Garden Girl Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 When I entered BYU as a Freshman waaayy back in 1959 (Yikes!!), we could not wear pants on campus except for Saturdays only... GG 1
strappinglad Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Garden Girl said: When I entered BYU as a Freshman waaayy back in 1959 (Yikes!!), we could not wear pants on campus except for Saturdays only... Really, what WERE the guys wearing back then ??
Garden Girl Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 13 hours ago, strappinglad said: Really, what WERE the guys wearing back then ?? We women couldn't wear pants... GG 1
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