Catholic report on Rome temple

[Okrahomer]

I'm not familiar with the National Catholic Reporter, but this report seems remarkable for being so positive.  (Apologies if someone has already started a thread about this article.)

[thesometimesaint]

Very nice.

[MiserereNobis]

The National Catholic Reporter is a liberal Catholic news organization, so this article is not surprising.

[pogi]

1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said:

The National Catholic Reporter is a liberal Catholic news organization, so this article is not surprising.

Dang liberals!

Would a more conservative Catholic news organization not be as friendly?

This article reminds me of the very conservative Deseret News organization's article done on the Hari Krishna temple in SLC. 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865659640/About-Utah-A-Krishna-temple-in-the-heart-of-Salt-Lake-Valley.html

See, conservatives can play nice too.

Edited July 5, 2017 by pogi

[MiserereNobis]

2 hours ago, pogi said:

Dang liberals!

Would a more conservative Catholic news organization not be as friendly?

This article reminds me of the very conservative Deseret News organization's article done on the Hari Krishna temple in SLC. 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865659640/About-Utah-A-Krishna-temple-in-the-heart-of-Salt-Lake-Valley.html

See, conservatives can play nice too.

Ha! Yes, conservative Catholics were not happy about the temple in Rome. You know, "hordes of barbarians at the gates of Rome" sort of thing

 

[MiserereNobis]

4 hours ago, pogi said:

Dang liberals!

Would a more conservative Catholic news organization not be as friendly?

This article reminds me of the very conservative Deseret News organization's article done on the Hari Krishna temple in SLC. 

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865659640/About-Utah-A-Krishna-temple-in-the-heart-of-Salt-Lake-Valley.html

See, conservatives can play nice too.

Of course, the best comparison would be the Cathedral in Salt Lake City. Anyone know off-hand how well it was received when the Catholics wanted to build it? I did a quick google search but didn't come up with anything specific, just that Mormons and Catholics in Salt Lake City have had an on-again off-again relationship over the years.

[Calm]

https://www.dioslc.org/history/the-cathedral-of-the-madeleine

"Over the years, especially due to Camp Douglas in the 1860's, the Catholic population grew here in the city and the parish of St. Mary Magdalene was established in 1866. A folk legend states that Brigham Young donated the land where the cathedral stands but the facts are this: when the northwest corner of 1st S and 2nd E was purchased in good faith by Fr. Edward Kelly in November 1866 to build a church, the title was not legally clear. As Father Kelly did want to go through litigation, he asked the contestant to summit to the mediation of BrighamYoung. President Young found that the good faith purchase was valid. But back to the cathedral."

The folk legend was pretty wide spread growing up and when I was at BYU.  Don't hear it much these days.

[Calm]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705377107/Mormon-Catholic-tolerance-goes-back-to-Brigham-Young.html

"In their turn, Catholics first came to Utah in 1862, as members of the California Volunteers. In 1866, when Father Edward Kelly sought a place to celebrate Mass, Mormon leaders permitted him to use the old tabernacle on today's Temple Square, and Brigham Young helped him to obtain clear title to land for the first Catholic church in the city. On May 10, 1869, the Union and Central Pacific Railroads met at Promontory Summit, not far from Brigham City, Utah, thus creating the first transcontinental railroad in American history and, with this, non-Mormon denominations began to establish themselves even more securely in Utah Territory. Though Catholics and Latter-day Saints differed theologically, they were generally friendly with one another. Thus, for example, not long after then-Father Scanlan arrived in Utah in 1873, he was invited by Mormon leaders in St. George, Utah, to use their tabernacle for worship. However, he feared that some of the liturgy would need to be omitted since it called for a choir singing in Latin. But he was soon surprised to discover that the director of the St. George Tabernacle's choir had ordered the appropriate music and was preparing his group to perform it, in Latin, in two weeks. Accordingly, on May 18,1873 a Catholic high Mass was sung by a Mormon choir in the St. George Tabernacle."

[Calm]

This may interest you:

https://www.franciscanmedia.org/catholics-among-the-mormons/

[MiserereNobis]

14 hours ago, Calm said:

As Father Kelly did want to go through litigation, he asked the contestant to summit to the mediation of BrighamYoung. President Young found that the good faith purchase was valid.

Interesting. I doubt the Pope would have done that for Mormons at that time...

[MiserereNobis]

14 hours ago, Calm said:

This may interest you:

https://www.franciscanmedia.org/catholics-among-the-mormons/

Quote

That strength, Msgr. Fitzgerald believes, is derived in part from the contemplative, mystical tradition of the Church. He includes in that tradition the celebrations of the great feasts and cycles, Advent-Christmas and Lent-Easter. He notes the great artists and musicians inspired by Catholic tradition while he acknowledges the business savvy, thrift and organizational skills of the Mormons.

This is an interesting view point.

[Storm Rider]

Comment on the article:  The Lamanites viewed as a cursed people?  That is a strange thought given the outreach of Pres. Kimball and the commitment to what the LDS think of as the Lamanites.

[bluebell]

18 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

Of course, the best comparison would be the Cathedral in Salt Lake City. Anyone know off-hand how well it was received when the Catholics wanted to build it? I did a quick google search but didn't come up with anything specific, just that Mormons and Catholics in Salt Lake City have had an on-again off-again relationship over the years.

I know that at the This is the Place monument celebrating the arrival of LDS to the valley, they also have monuments to the different religions arrival to the valley as well.  I remember one being Catholic and included the names of those involved, but don't remember anything else.

[The Nehor]

On 7/5/2017 at 8:30 PM, MiserereNobis said:

Ha! Yes, conservative Catholics were not happy about the temple in Rome. You know, "hordes of barbarians at the gates of Rome" sort of thing

 

Yes, but unlike the Visigoths, Gauls, and Vandals we bring pies and other delicious pastries.

[Okrahomer]

7 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Yes, but unlike the Visigoths, Gauls, and Vandals we bring pies and other delicious pastries.

Haha!!!  This board is a better place because of the Nehor!  

[MiserereNobis]

34 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Yes, but unlike the Visigoths, Gauls, and Vandals we bring pies and other delicious pastries.

So you say, but in reality all you'll serve is funeral casseroles with potato chips on top and a side of jell-o.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said:

So you say, but in reality all you'll serve is funeral casseroles with potato chips on top and a side of jell-o.

We used to bring green jello salad with shredded carrots in it but it started too many wars.

So we are getting a little better.

[sunstoned]

On 6/20/2017 at 11:02 AM, Okrahomer said:

I'm not familiar with the National Catholic Reporter, but this report seems remarkable for being so positive.  (Apologies if someone has already started a thread about this article.)

This was a very positive and fair article.

[The Nehor]

On 7/9/2017 at 10:40 PM, sunstoned said:

This was a very positive and fair article.

Yes, which is exactly what they want us to think..................

[sunstoned]

12 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Yes, which is exactly what they want us to think..................

I am not sure that the care what .002 of the population thinks.  

[poptart]

On 7/6/2017 at 7:54 PM, The Nehor said:

Yes, but unlike the Visigoths, Gauls, and Vandals we bring pies and other delicious pastries.

Lel I like to call that cultural enrichment.

 

Question, what does Rome tend to think of the LDS church?

[The Nehor]

20 hours ago, sunstoned said:

I am not sure that the care what .002 of the population thinks.  

That was a joke. I guess I did not type it with ominous paranoid theme music.

[The Nehor]

40 minutes ago, poptart said:

Lel I like to call that cultural enrichment.

 

Question, what does Rome tend to think of the LDS church?

Probably do not think of us much at all.

Maybe we have a leg up on the Protestants as we have burned fewer Catholics?

[poptart]

3 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Probably do not think of us much at all.

Maybe we have a leg up on the Protestants as we have burned fewer Catholics?

Possibly because you're not trinitarians and you have the masonic roots that they don't care.  Rome still hates anything to do with freemasonry, combined with the lack of trinitarian beliefs and well, yeah that makes sense they wouldn't care a whole lot.

[sunstoned]

13 hours ago, The Nehor said:

That was a joke. I guess I did not type it with ominous paranoid theme music.

I knew you were joking and I was joking back