Thinking Posted June 11, 2017 Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) Since the 2008 membership numbers were released, I have tracked 20 areas of the Church. Here are some interesting stats for 2016. The total membership increased by 248,218 (+1.59%). The total numbers of congregations increased by 288 (+0.96%). The average number of members per congregation (M/C) increased by 3.24 (+0.62%) The areas where M/C decreased were Alberta, South Africa, Ghana, United Kingdom, Samoa, & Arizona. The areas where total membership decreased were United Kingdom & California. LDS Church Membership 2008-2016.pdf Edited June 11, 2017 by Thinking 1
Robert F. Smith Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Does that mean that Jerry Brown is driving Mormons out of California? Or is it the LGBTQI lobby?
Scott Lloyd Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said: Does that mean that Jerry Brown is driving Mormons out of California? Or is it the LGBTQI lobby? Global warming is driving everyone inland. 1
Alan Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 13 hours ago, Thinking said: Since the 2008 membership numbers were released, I have tracked 20 areas of the Church. Here are some interesting stats for 2016. The total membership increased by 248,218 (+1.59%). The total numbers of congregations increased by 288 (+0.96%). The average number of members per congregation (M/C) increased by 3.24 (+0.62%) The areas where M/C decreased were Alberta, South Africa, Ghana, United Kingdom, Samoa, & Arizona. The areas where total membership decreased were United Kingdom & California. LDS Church Membership 2008-2016.pdf Not really an accurate picture though. For some reason only certain areas and countries are listed. No numners for Germany, or Ireland, or any number of nations where the church is established. The total numbers in the UK increased between 2008 and 2016.
california boy Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Does that mean that Jerry Brown is driving Mormons out of California? Or is it the LGBTQI lobby? I think the church is driving Mormons out of California. There certainly seems to be a lot less people in California willing to listen to the Mormon message. 2
clarkgoble Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 6 hours ago, california boy said: I think the church is driving Mormons out of California. There certainly seems to be a lot less people in California willing to listen to the Mormon message. I think the cost of living is driving Mormons out of California. That's why I hear from the many Californian immigrants. 3
Marginal Gains Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 On 12/06/2017 at 10:12 AM, Alan said: Not really an accurate picture though. For some reason only certain areas and countries are listed. No numners for Germany, or Ireland, or any number of nations where the church is established. The total numbers in the UK increased between 2008 and 2016. But decreased between 2009 and 2016. http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target=countries&cnt_res=2&wid=230&wid_state=&cmdfind=Search If you scroll down on the link to the table that shows districts and stakes over time, you'll see that the Church in the UK isn't growing, and hasn't been growing since 1999. When you take into account overall population growth, the Church has been shrinking in the UK for twenty years. That trend is reflected across Europe where activity rates are 20% at best.
mfbukowski Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) On 6/11/2017 at 11:04 PM, Robert F. Smith said: Does that mean that Jerry Brown is driving Mormons out of California? Or is it the LGBTQI lobby? If one is of a conservative bent, California is simply not the place to be. The taxes are incredible, gasoline is nearly, and will be, a dollar more per gallon here, than anywhere else, the gun control is ridiculous and in general the state is stagnating. Young families can't make it and good jobs are hard to find unless you have connections. We have- this week- two families from our ward alone moving to Texas (two of the three) and one to Utah. The one to Utah is an elderly lady who needs help and has family in Utah, one to Texas is a young family where Dad could not find a job teaching here, and the other to Texas is a fed up-with-Cali senior who is moving primarily to take care of her mother there. Jerry Brown is just taking advantage of the demographics, but with the gas tax increase things are starting to swing the other way. I sense a growing sense from everyone that it has gone too far to the left and there may be Brexit-Trump reaction coming- I don't know. But it's still a great place to own - not buy- real estate. But we know what happens to bubbles. Just another one. The alphabet soup lobby? - meh. Nobody cares anymore. I just can't keep up with what letters are in and what are out. I think none are out and it just keeps getting more letters I can't keep up with. Edited June 13, 2017 by mfbukowski 1
Robert F. Smith Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 4 hours ago, mfbukowski said: If one is of a conservative bent, California is simply not the place to be. The taxes are incredible, gasoline is nearly, and will be, a dollar more per gallon here, than anywhere else, the gun control is ridiculous and in general the state is stagnating. Young families can't make it and good jobs are hard to find unless you have connections. We have- this week- two families from our ward alone moving to Texas (two of the three) and one to Utah. The one to Utah is an elderly lady who needs help and has family in Utah, one to Texas is a young family where Dad could not find a job teaching here, and the other to Texas is a fed up-with-Cali senior who is moving primarily to take care of her mother there. Jerry Brown is just taking advantage of the demographics, but with the gas tax increase things are starting to swing the other way. I sense a growing sense from everyone that it has gone too far to the left and there may be Brexit-Trump reaction coming- I don't know. But it's still a great place to own - not buy- real estate. But we know what happens to bubbles. Just another one. The alphabet soup lobby? - meh. Nobody cares anymore. I just can't keep up with what letters are in and what are out. I think none are out and it just keeps getting more letters I can't keep up with. Well, that keeps Utah growing so very fast, so many newcomers moving to the St George area, and so many Mormons coming to Utah County. Home builders are having a hard time keeping up. Next census, Utah will probably add still another congressman. 1
mfbukowski Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said: Well, that keeps Utah growing so very fast, so many newcomers moving to the St George area, and so many Mormons coming to Utah County. Home builders are having a hard time keeping up. Next census, Utah will probably add still another congressman. Better watch out, your real estate prices are getting close to ours!
SteveO Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: Better watch out, your real estate prices are getting close to ours! KSL says the only way to get a house is to overbid by $20-60,000 the asking price. We put in 8 offers before we decided the only way to get out of an apartment was to build in Spanish Fork...great for sellers, but it's awful if you're a buyer 1
clarkgoble Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 Yup every house around mine sold for around 50-60 thousand above appraised price. I'll confess that I'd wish fewer people were coming here though. Pollution is getting high. 2
mfbukowski Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, clarkgoble said: Yup every house around mine sold for around 50-60 thousand above appraised price. I'll confess that I'd wish fewer people were coming here though. Pollution is getting high. Utah is now one of the outer Los Angeles suburbs. Seriously though the whole I15 corridor is headed toward becoming a megalopolis like the East Coast. We just need more immigrants, who are sure to arrive; Edited June 13, 2017 by mfbukowski
clarkgoble Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: Utah is now one of the outer Los Angeles suburbs. Seriously though the whole I15 corridor is headed toward becoming a megalopolis like the East Coast. Eventually. It hasn't grown quite as fast around the Payson - Nephi corridor as I thought it would 10 years ago. But Orem the past two years has had a ridiculous increase in dense housing. I wouldn't be surprised to find the Orem area (including Vineyard) has probably doubled in population the past couple of years. I'll be curious when the next census comes out. That's probably the big difference with California. Fewer NIMBY zoning restrictions so they are switching to high density housing in a way that many cities in California need to. (Bay Area I'm looking at you) Provo is redoing several major roads for some new higher density mass transit. Edited June 13, 2017 by clarkgoble 1
SteveO Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 20 minutes ago, clarkgoble said: Eventually. It hasn't grown quite as fast around the Payson - Nephi corridor as I thought it would 10 years ago. But Orem the past two years has had a ridiculous increase in dense housing. I wouldn't be surprised to find the Orem area (including Vineyard) has probably doubled in population the past couple of years. I'll be curious when the next census comes out. That's probably the big difference with California. Fewer NIMBY zoning restrictions so they are switching to high density housing in a way that many cities in California need to. (Bay Area I'm looking at you) Provo is redoing several major roads for some new higher density mass transit. I know in Spanish Fork they've started building those New York City style homes, ie. a single room on each floor totaling 5-6 floors in all. I went and looked at them, they're nice, but I can't believe we're at that point where they're necessary... 1
clarkgoble Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 23 minutes ago, SteveO said: I know in Spanish Fork they've started building those New York City style homes, ie. a single room on each floor totaling 5-6 floors in all. I went and looked at them, they're nice, but I can't believe we're at that point where they're necessary... I think it's less about necessary than simply a style people like. You can have the same size building and do things a different way.
bluebell Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 2 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Utah is now one of the outer Los Angeles suburbs. Seriously though the whole I15 corridor is headed toward becoming a megalopolis like the East Coast. We just need more immigrants, who are sure to arrive; My husband heard on some news program that the state will soon have to seriously consider making I-15 a double decker to handle the traffic. I don't know if that was someone in the know or not, but yuck.... 1
Okrahomer Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 3 hours ago, bluebell said: My husband heard on some news program that the state will soon have to seriously consider making I-15 a double decker to handle the traffic. I don't know if that was someone in the know or not, but yuck.... I heard the same report. 1
clarkgoble Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 19 minutes ago, Okrahomer said: I heard the same report. Realistically a bypass route from Santaquin on the west side of the lake to Tooele would solve a lot of the problem. 1
carbon dioxide Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:48 AM, clarkgoble said: I think the cost of living is driving Mormons out of California. That's why I hear from the many Californian immigrants. Cost of living, taxes, politics, and the basic fact that many parts of California are just not what they used to be.
Robert F. Smith Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 9 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Better watch out, your real estate prices are getting close to ours! Yeh, then I can sell and get out - just before the bubble bursts. 1
Okrahomer Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, clarkgoble said: Realistically a bypass route from Santaquin on the west side of the lake to Tooele would solve a lot of the problem. I think that's a terrific idea! Perhaps it would also help if the Trax and Frontrunner schedules were beefed up a bit. I took Trax from the SLC airport to Daybreak a couple of months ago, and it took almost two hours. I know it represents a major public investment; but If UTA wants to encourage people to get off the road and take public transit, they're going to have to make it a bit more convenient. The last time I was in London, the Underground got me everywhere I needed or wanted to go with very little waiting in between. I was quite happy being there without a car. Edited June 14, 2017 by Okrahomer 1
pogi Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 18 minutes ago, Okrahomer said: If UTA wants to encourage people to get off the road and take public transit, they're going to have to make it a bit more convenient. ...and more affordable! The only reason I take trax (when I am not biking) is because my work pays for most of it. Otherwise, the $84/month pass just doesn't make sense when my monthly gas expense is less then half of that. The only way it would make sense is if you commit 100% to public transit and sell your car. 1
Okrahomer Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Yes. I agree. In fairness, it seems like it works for some folks fairly well, but they're the ones who live and work very close to a station and who don't need to make connections to get where they're going. My two nieces have Frontrunner passes and are able to get from downtown Provo to BYU-SLC in about an hour. They don't have to worry about any transfers. Those passes were not cheap, but the savings in gas and wear-and-tear on their older model Jeep seems to be about equivalent. Plus, they're able to study on the train. So it works for them.
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