Mitt Romney to be in Trump's cabinet?

[Jeanne]

5 hours ago, BlueDreams said:

I agree that no one should destroy property or beat up people. But I strongly disagree about the whimps part. I was/am one who is extremely upset about his win, and I'm definitely biased, but whimp is not something people usually describe me as. I would also garuntee that virtually no one would be protesting in any form if Romney had one last election. Disappointed, sure. Some pointed articles, probably. Not protesting.

i won't go into deep details as to why I am deeply effected. In short order I'm a woman of color with Mexican, immigrant, and general minority ties, who has experienced sexual harassment and minor assault as well as uncomfortable racial comments and microaggressions in my history. It really shouldn't take too much to connect the dots as to why I may even slightly be effected. But the extreme response isn't just because he's a republican, even a shoddy Republican, in office. It's what he comes to represent and what is becoming apparent will be ignored and allowed. It is the validation and galvanization that is happening among people with bigoted/sexist ideology. The SPLC has had over 300 reports of trump related hate crimes with the vast majority of that being towards minorities and women. My friend was told that after Trump gets elected he would have to "go home to where he came from" at a gas station in Orem. Ironically he is Native American so he definitely got the last word on that one.

To keep this in a religious context, he actually posses a threat to religious freedom. In his camp there is talk of making a "Muslim registry" one of the men, in defense of the idea on TV, used the example of the Japanese in WWII as precedent for doing it. 

 

if you are really wondering what is going on, take a step in a minority's shoes. I could have used a puppy that week, I won't lie. Luckily I got something better in my friend and her adorable kids group hugging me hard. As well as the wonderful support of others in quiet notes of support, solidarity, and care. 

 

With luv, 

BD

I could never walk in your shoes..and I know that.  My only point was the way people are acting.  I understand their pain..but we have to get on with it and with hope..communication and lots ..LOTS of compassion..maybe we can all steer the ship.  I agree with much you say..my only contempt is that we can't stop and cry..I don't get to..heck...I am not really even a republican.  But I try to understand to the best of my ability and to empathize.  College kids need to learn that no matter what ethnic group or identify that they own...that we don't always get what we want ..life is like that.  As an older white woman..hey..I have been discriminated many times..now it is just because I am old..I don't know how many job interviews I went on in the middle 2000's where I was extremely qualified..but i wasn't a man..I wasn't young..and I did not  wear Temple garments. 

I hear you..and I agree.  All I am saying is the generation coming into to the fold ..needs to do something that does ot destruct..cry if you must..and move on.

Hugs and love to you and I mean that with all my heart!  I am hoping that good people around Trump can bring about the equality and fairness that all of us deserve.

Edited November 19, 2016 by Jeanne

[Jeanne]

P..S. to BlueDreams.  I have black family...a step son who lost is partner to suicide..(an LDS gay man)...so though I can't walk in your shoes, I am that shadow that follows and in your sphere of the world.

[sunstoned]

5 hours ago, BlueDreams said:

I agree that no one should destroy property or beat up people. But I strongly disagree about the whimps part. I was/am one who is extremely upset about his win, and I'm definitely biased, but whimp is not something people usually describe me as. I would also garuntee that virtually no one would be protesting in any form if Romney had one last election. Disappointed, sure. Some pointed articles, probably. Not protesting.

i won't go into deep details as to why I am deeply effected. In short order I'm a woman of color with Mexican, immigrant, and general minority ties, who has experienced sexual harassment and minor assault as well as uncomfortable racial comments and microaggressions in my history. It really shouldn't take too much to connect the dots as to why I may even slightly be effected. But the extreme response isn't just because he's a republican, even a shoddy Republican, in office. It's what he comes to represent and what is becoming apparent will be ignored and allowed. It is the validation and galvanization that is happening among people with bigoted/sexist ideology. The SPLC has had over 300 reports of trump related hate crimes with the vast majority of that being towards minorities and women. My friend was told that after Trump gets elected he would have to "go home to where he came from" at a gas station in Orem. Ironically he is Native American so he definitely got the last word on that one.

To keep this in a religious context, he actually posses a threat to religious freedom. In his camp there is talk of making a "Muslim registry" one of the men, in defense of the idea on TV, used the example of the Japanese in WWII as precedent for doing it. 

 

if you are really wondering what is going on, take a step in a minority's shoes. I could have used a puppy that week, I won't lie. Luckily I got something better in my friend and her adorable kids group hugging me hard. As well as the wonderful support of others in quiet notes of support, solidarity, and care. 

 

With luv, 

BD

I am not a minority, so I have no business trying to comment on how someone who is a minority would feel with this new administration.  But I am one of the professors at a public university in Utah who is a LGBTQ advocate.  We meet as a group often.  I hear what my LGBTQ friends say, and they are scared.  They feel the positive steps toward inclusion and acceptance are in danger of being reversed with this administration.  

[BlueDreams]

33 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

I am not a minority, so I have no business trying to comment on how someone who is a minority would feel with this new administration.  But I am one of the professors at a public university in Utah who is a LGBTQ advocate.  We meet as a group often.  I hear what my LGBTQ friends say, and they are scared.  They feel the positive steps toward inclusion and acceptance are in danger of being reversed with this administration.  

Yep, that sounds about right. That's (one of) my big fear(s). Another is human rights violations in general, an imbalanced supreme court for a good long time (if any others die or reitre in the next 4 years), continuing ignoring of environmental problems, programs that may lead to rapid but unsustainable growth, etc. In the end, I hope and believe it'll be a short hiccup. The demographics are just not in their favor long-term. The nation by my generation is growing more diverse and continues to do so each coming generation. The views of the younger population are different from the older in aggregate. And their lived experience/concerns can be very different as well in aggregate.  

 

With luv,

BD

[rodheadlee]

Discrimination is not a one way street. If you are a baker , photographer or florist you don't have the same freedom as a fashion designer. The Liberal Left is full of hypocrisy.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/19/fashion-designers-are-boycotting-melania

[Jeanne]

21 minutes ago, BlueDreams said:

Yep, that sounds about right. That's (one of) my big fear(s). Another is human rights violations in general, an imbalanced supreme court for a good long time (if any others die or reitre in the next 4 years), continuing ignoring of environmental problems, programs that may lead to rapid but unsustainable growth, etc. In the end, I hope and believe it'll be a short hiccup. The demographics are just not in their favor long-term. The nation by my generation is growing more diverse and continues to do so each coming generation. The views of the younger population are different from the older in aggregate. And their lived experience/concerns can be very different as well in aggregate.  

 

With luv,

BD

I, too, am hoping this is a short hiccup. 

[BlueDreams]

1 hour ago, Jeanne said:

I could never walk in your shoes..and I know that.  My only point was the way people are acting.  I understand their pain..but we have to get on with it and with hope..communication and lots ..LOTS of compassion..maybe we can all steer the ship.  I agree with much you say..my only contempt is that we can't stop and cry..I don't get to..heck...I am not really even a republican.  But I try to understand to the best of my ability and to empathize.  College kids need to learn that no matter what ethnic group or identify that they own...that we don't always get what we want ..life is like that.  As an older white woman..hey..I have been discriminated many times..now it is just because I am old..I don't know how many job interviews I went on in the middle 2000's where I was extremely qualified..but i wasn't a man..I wasn't young..and I did not  wear Temple garments. 

I hear you..and I agree.  All I am saying is the generation coming into to the fold ..needs to do something that does ot destruct..cry if you must..and move on.

Hugs and love to you and I mean that with all my heart!  I am hoping that good people around Trump can bring about the equality and fairness that all of us deserve.

Moving on, IMHO, is a terrible idea. At the very least, when I've heard it stated I generally disagree with the sentiment. Again this is not a normal president. He is not creating a normal cabinet. His views are not normal. Nothing about this is normal, minus the part of us holding a general election. And even that wasn't fully normal. Not just in the general unpopularity of the candidates but because he is only 1 out of 2 presidents since the 1800's (and 1 out of 6 total) who had the majority of the electoral college but not the popular vote. 

Move on to me is not an answer. I also found it irritating when people were encouraging that literally the next or same day. I had no personal urge to feel like molasses the next day and struggle to get up. But I did. I had not desire to finally break down 2-3 days later and need that hug. but I did. If you were emotionally struggling with something that seemed frightening and painful, would you tell some the same day or even a week after said event to move one? No. I wouldn't at least. No one is ready at that point.  And most of the protests weren't violent, though impassioned and following a very necessary tradition. And a needed point that this doesn't give a free nod that he has the support of the people for his desired policies and extreme views.  

I'll move forward, yes, but I will not move on. Move on entails a degree of acceptance of this man that I just can't bring forward in myself. And we are not all steering the ship. Yes, maybe in local communities to a greater extent, but on national policy that is definitely not what is shaping up to happen. The ship on that note is looking very very white, conservative to the end of controversial even bigoted/sexist views, and male. Moving on rings acceptance, even passivity, and I have no intention of accepting that or being passive about his presidency. If there are policies that are obviously potentially damaging to minority populations, I want to speak out against it. I want to promote voting among millennials so that our demographics actually are heard representative to our population size. There's not much I could do right now in the area I'm in, but I plan to do my part. As a mixed woman, I very much disagree with the sentiment that we "don't always get what we want" in this context. No, we don't, but we should fight to bring forward a better future. For the vast majority of minorities Trump doesn't represent that in the least. So I will sure move forward and won't wallow in something I can't fix. But I will not move on and accept this man as the direction our nation should move in. I can't. My conscience simply won't allow it.

 

EDIT: I agree that we should move forward with compassion. In general, compassion doesn't entail ascribing values to all the aggrieved or worried millenials as "whimps." In that same sense of compassion I am working to understand the actual reasons he was elected including the concerns of the "rust belt" that helped him win. I do think a number of legitimate concerns even if I strongly disagree with who they chose to represent this nation. 

 

With luv,

BD

Edited November 19, 2016 by BlueDreams

[Stargazer]

On ‎11‎/‎17‎/‎2016 at 11:19 PM, Scott Lloyd said:

 

If it were to happen, Trump would be following the example of Abraham Lincoln, who appointed some of his arch rivals to his cabinet.

 

Well, that would possibly be following the old adage: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  :-)

[strappinglad]

Technically the popular vote tally means very little. The voters vote for electors of the electoral college. States have differing numbers of electors. My brief calculations show that some states have as few as 100,000 votes per electoral vote and some as high as 300,000. I suppose one could add more electoral members to the bigger states. That ,of course, could lead to a tyranny of the majority. The House already represents roughly by population. The Senate represents each state equally no matter the size of the population. Maybe we should elect a President based on who gains the most land area. I wonder who got that majority?

   It is obvious that what a candidate says he will do and what he is able to do are often poles apart. Are there still prisoners at Guantanamo? Hmm, any reason why? We have seen what 8 years of Obama's policies have done. People really like Obama personally but fewer were enamored by his policies. People really dislike Trump. It may turn out they are happier with his policies. Watch and wait and don't panic until you see the whites(sorry ) of his eyes!

[Scott Lloyd]

On November 18, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Daniel2 said:

From what I understand, this didn't pan out for Romney as Secretary of State.

In all honestly, I was glad to hear of it potentially happening, and disappointed to hear it's not going to happen... Romney would have provided some much needed political, emotional, and moral maturity and experience to the Trump administration.

What's your source that it's not going to happen? You posted this yesterday. A CNN report following the meeting this morning between the two men said nobody confirmed or denied anything. 

[Tacenda]

I don't know how to see this, good? bad? It's hard to see Romney acquiesce.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765690888/Trump-Romney-once-bitter-rivals-meet-smile-shake-hands.html

[strappinglad]

Politics makes for strange bedfellows . Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[why me]

13 hours ago, BlueDreams said:

To keep this in a religious context, he actually posses a threat to religious freedom. In his camp there is talk of making a "Muslim registry" one of the men, in defense of the idea on TV, used the example of the Japanese in WWII as precedent for doing it. 

 

if you are really wondering what is going on, take a step in a minority's shoes. I could have used a puppy that week, I won't lie. Luckily I got something better in my friend and her adorable kids group hugging me hard. As well as the wonderful support of others in quiet notes of support, solidarity, and care. 

 

With luv, 

BD

We seem to forget that it was not that long ago that people who were members of a communist party had great difficulties in coming to the US even as a tourist and this policy may still continue when it comes to getting a visa. No one complained about this. I still remember when applying for a low level public job when I was younger( in the 70s) a question that asked me if I were a member of the communist party. If I answered yes, no job. Many people were refused entry into the US because of their political membership. And I do believe that even now if one is from china and wishes to stay in the US, one must resign their membership in the communist party.

It is unfortunate that people are using their religion to commit acts of terror. And it is even more unfortunate that one must be careful about such a religion that seems to be in disarray. When one looks at the middle east one sees churches being burned down, people losing their heads, christian women being raped.. And then we see great hatred between shia, sunni, the kurds, and among other muslim linked faiths who seem to have difficutly living together. And in europe this is often played out on the streets, at least according to wikileaks and john podesta's emails. .

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/295

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/197

And then we have 60 minutes in sweden receiving this reaction in a muslim area:

There seems to be a problem if all this is true. So what to do?

 

[why me]

13 hours ago, BlueDreams said:

To keep this in a religious context, he actually posses a threat to religious freedom. In his camp there is talk of making a "Muslim registry" one of the men, in defense of the idea on TV, used the example of the Japanese in WWII as precedent for doing it. 

 

if you are really wondering what is going on, take a step in a minority's shoes. I could have used a puppy that week, I won't lie. Luckily I got something better in my friend and her adorable kids group hugging me hard. As well as the wonderful support of others in quiet notes of support, solidarity, and care. 

 

With luv, 

BD

Suh is life for many europeans. Difficult to be in my shoes at the moment.

Edited November 20, 2016 by why me