ERayR Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 16 hours ago, Calm said: My daughter is having an anxiety attack. Had to make waffles for comfort food. Spent time explaining to my sister why Utah ended up voting for him, she is completely dumbfounded and is wondering what in the world she is going to tell her grade five class (she lives in Colorado). Otoh, if Clinton had won, I would have been dealing with my husband (who as a business prof sees more ultimate harm in Clinton messing with the economy, I don't think he takes Trump seriously as he is disgusted by the man). I see it as with either as the winner, the majority of the nation is going to be wondering why they didn't vote for the other one at the end of four years. I hope the next four years go by fast while Trump is too busy getting his hair just so to notice. I am with your husband on this.
ERayR Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 11 hours ago, rodheadlee said: Oh please, it was under Obama that this has already happened. Lighting the White House with the rainbow flag celebrating sexual deviancy as the new normal, calling evil good, murdering millions of unborn babies under the guise of women's rights. Now we have protesters rioting, refusing to be ruled by the law and instead accepting defeat graciously are destroying property. When will you folks understand that Trump was the master of hyperbole. He is still restricted in what he can do by the Constitution, Congress and the Supreme Court. Our family prayed that he would be humble in victory and by his first speech it appears our prayers were answered. Well said my friend.
ERayR Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 8 hours ago, bluebell said: If i remember right, Moore also says that Americans are going to be very very sorry that they fell for Trump, right? Listening to M. Moore is, IMO, listening to porn.
ERayR Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Duncan said: It'll never work, it's time to move on from her emails And just forget the lives it cost.
ERayR Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 3 hours ago, bluebell said: It's already been pursued. The powers that be have decided she didn't break the law. It's time to move on and let it go. The powers that be (Obama administration) are complicit in her actions so they couldn't decide any other way.
bluebell Posted November 10, 2016 Author Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ERayR said: The powers that be (Obama administration) are complicit in her actions so they couldn't decide any other way. I was talking about the FBI. I don't think the FBI is out to protect her. One of the main discussion points on the news last night was how the FBI harpooned Clinton's campaign by letting everyone know that they would re-open the investigation of Clinton. They didn't have to share that information, and there were people strongly in the Republican camp who thought it bordered on inappropriate timing meant to hurt her chances. And yes, It's time to move on. There is nothing to be gained by continuing to pursue it and it will greatly impact the countries ability to unify. Unity is very important. It should be our major goal because so much in the future will depend on it. A nation divided against itself will fall. Edit to add-if the FBI finds that there were serious criminal actions connected to Hillary (such as with the Clinton foundation) then yes, prosecution might be worthwhile. But trying to lynch her in the name of Benghazi when the FBI has already declared she did nothing illegal will serve no good purpose. Edited November 10, 2016 by bluebell 4
Duncan Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 Just now, ERayR said: And just forget the lives it cost. were people killed over emails? no 1
Duncan Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 Just now, ERayR said: IMNSHO morality standards could not possibly have been a factor in voting for either major candidate. which is why I think it's sad and morality was lost on Utah LDS Trump supporters 1
Calm Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 39 minutes ago, Jeanne said: i understand...tip toed quietly around my very liberal kids. I am guessing that education has nothing to do with anything...and being silent is just plain wise. Exactly 2
Calm Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, ERayR said: Its funny I had those very same sentiments. About Clinton. Somehow I doubt they were the very same. http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/ Edited November 10, 2016 by Calm 2
ERayR Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 45 minutes ago, Duncan said: were people killed over emails? no Yes. I haven't time to look it up right now but there were some undercover operatives that were killed as a result of her e-mails.
ERayR Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 44 minutes ago, Duncan said: which is why I think it's sad and morality was lost on Utah LDS Trump supporters I don't understand what you mean. Morality is also lost on Utah LDS Clinton supporters.
Tacenda Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 6 hours ago, Duncan said: Can you give us one example? Like he didn't actually say something or he said it but the backlash was too great and he backtracked and now we are the ones to blame or something? I know a guy in our stake, in the bishopric of another ward who believes that the Trump on TV isn't the "real" Trump, the real one wouldn't say or do those things but this phony guy on TV is some imposter parading around saying whatever but the real Trump doesn't do that.... I'd like to see that example too. 1
Tacenda Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 18 hours ago, BlueDreams said: Yep. It is. Excuse me as my heart dies a little for my nation. My brown-kin. Myself. My sense of security. etc.
Duncan Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 Just now, ERayR said: I don't understand what you mean. Morality is also lost on Utah LDS Clinton supporters. Donald trump is sexual deviant and predator and Hillary Clinton is not and they somehow think it's acceptable to do and say all these things? It's a sad state when a Trump's behaviour is viewed as acceptable and somehow that is better than a woman? But hey prove the world wrong that you are aren't racist, deviant, mysogynistic, islamophobic, American-centric, anti LGBTQ and we'll believe you. Time will tell 3
Calm Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 27 minutes ago, ERayR said: Yes. I haven't time to look it up right now but there were some undercover operatives that were killed as a result of her e-mails. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/clinton-emails-held-indirect-references-undercover-cia-officers-n510741 The email was sent after the death of the officer. 2
rodheadlee Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 6 hours ago, bluebell said: It's already been pursued. The powers that be have decided she didn't break the law. It's time to move on and let it go. She broke the law, they decided not to charge her.
BlueDreams Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 2 hours ago, ERayR said: Its funny I had those very same sentiments. About Clinton. No....No it's not the same. Along with what Calm said, it's been a source of enabling bigotry. Already I've had a friend report racial harassment based around race, being told that come January he will have to go "back to where he came from." Ironically my friend is Native American, so he definitely got the last word on who was the real immigrant. But this has immediate effect and concerns. My folk have lived with the legacy of systemic discrimination in the country for generations. And we (as in the people I actually know and myself...and others) still see it today. The fear isn't just about the "establishment" per se, but the permission it gives some regular Americans to act in ways that are frustrating, alienating, or sometimes dangerous or infringing on our personal security. I'm well aware that it's not ALL people, but it doesn't take all for it to still have an effect on minorities. I'm afraid because we've seen these words, actions, and sentiments before in history and in random interactions. They're not hypothetical. And our history with more tolerance and growing equality is way too short for it to not feel like a threat. With luv, BD 4
The Nehor Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 6 hours ago, Darren10 said: What Hillary Clinton did with her emails alone cannot be ignored and *must* be pursued. Multiple inquiries and investigations from multiple federal agencies and special investigators, many of them conservative leaning, have all found no reason to prosecute. It was you who told me about the Wildlife Refuge battle that I did not know enough to judge the outcome of that case. You know far less about what went on with the email server but somehow she must pay? Why do you not trust the system in this case? Physician, heal thyself. And on a practical level the last thing we need is to punitively drag this out. It may have cost the election, her political career, and much more. No harm was done. No American agents died in the field due to the emails. No major treaties or trade deals were ruined. It is amazing how petty and vengeance-driven this is. 6 hours ago, Darren10 said: With that approach, you're absolutely right, it'll never work. If you care to govern by the rue of law how can you simply "move on" from this? If we are going to live by the strict rule of law Trump's wife, our future first lady, needs to be investigated for illegally working in the United States. The dates make it clear now that she violated immigration law. Of course we should not drag her before the courts because that would be petty and stupid. Your side won. To quote a fictional president: "You have your pound of flesh. I suggest you take your victory and move on." The rule of law gives federal investigators and prosecutors the right to decide whether to indict. They declined to do so. Get over it. 6 hours ago, Darren10 said: Bwahahaha! We'll see. Can I have permission to publicly mock you if Obama does not pardon Clinton? It might happen but I doubt it. I mean how many investigations with no indictments do people like you need before moving on? Do you have some secret lust for polarizing the nation with politically charged show trials? 3
The Nehor Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 2 hours ago, ERayR said: Listening to M. Moore is, IMO, listening to porn. I agree but I say the same thing about Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh. 2
The Nehor Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 2 hours ago, ERayR said: The powers that be (Obama administration) are complicit in her actions so they couldn't decide any other way. How far up does the conspiracy go? Are the Jews involved? The Illuminati? The Reptilians? You do realize that many of the investigators were not partisan right? Some were from agencies that typically lean Republican.
The Nehor Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, ERayR said: Yes. I haven't time to look it up right now but there were some undercover operatives that were killed as a result of her e-mails. That would be all over if it was substantiated. There was an FBI agent involved in a murder-suicide that people are trying to tied to the email scandal or that Clinton ordered them killed and made it look like a murder-suicide. It must be fun to be a conspiracy nut. Edited because I hit submit accidentally: Of course the story was quickly found to be a hoax. Edited November 10, 2016 by The Nehor
The Nehor Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 1 hour ago, ERayR said: I don't understand what you mean. Morality is also lost on Utah LDS Clinton supporters. That is why I voted for McMullin.
The Nehor Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 1 minute ago, BlueDreams said: No....No it's not the same. Along with what Calm said, it's been a source of enabling bigotry. Already I've had a friend report racial harassment based around race, being told that come January he will have to go "back to where he came from." Ironically my friend is Native American, so he definitely got the last word on who was the real immigrant. But this has immediate effect and concerns. My folk have lived with the legacy of systemic discrimination in the country for generations. And we (as in the people I actually know and myself...and others) still see it today. The fear isn't just about the "establishment" per se, but the permission it gives some regular Americans to act in ways that are frustrating, alienating, or sometimes dangerous or infringing on our personal security. I'm well aware that it's not ALL people, but it doesn't take all for it to still have an effect on minorities. It is sad to see White Nationalists (Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, KKK, etc) cheering at these election results feeling they are finally being heard. 3
Duncan Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 Just now, rodheadlee said: She broke the law, they decided not to charge her. Melania? time will tell I guess
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