Thinking Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 45 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: He couldn't possibly be verifying identities. The church doesn't give out membership rolls He could verify that they are who they say they are.
Johnnie Cake Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Thinking said: He could verify that they are who they say they are. Just a guess...but they probably use their membership #'s
ALarson Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: Just a guess...but they probably use their membership #'s If you read the information on his website, he does ask for their membership # if they know it....and I have to believe most temple recommend holders at least have access to this. Other members most likely don't have access to their membership # unless they contact their Bishop.
JAHS Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 12 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: Just a guess...but they probably use their membership #'s There is a space to enter Membership number on the form but he says he doesn't need it.
mfbukowski Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 12 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: Just a guess...but they probably use their membership #'s I help people set up access to ward info on LDS.com, like directories of members (which are ward specific- access to your ward only unless you are in leadership) and calendars of activities, and free access to genealogy sites which charge others. Unless you have a temple recommend in your pocket- NOBODY knows their membership number. You have to usually ask the ward clerk These folks are not active, nor do they have recommends, nor do they probably even know their ward clerk nor could care less about going through all that to get their records removed. Not gonna happen that way
carbon dioxide Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) 6500 is a good number but I would not call it a mass. It represents about one weeks worth of those being baptized into the Church. Edited February 25, 2016 by carbon dioxide
VideoGameJunkie Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 1 minute ago, carbon dioxide said: 6500 is a good number but I would not call it a mass. It represents about one weeks worth of those being baptized into the Church. Still though that's 6,500 souls that are going to miss out on the Celestial Kingdom.
Thinking Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, carbon dioxide said: 6500 is a good number but I would not call it a mass. It represents about one weeks worth of those being baptized into the Church. And we know that the only people resigning are doing so through that website. All is well!
Cold Steel Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 8 hours ago, ALarson said: I doubt that a "fake" resignation would go through and be successful. Oh, I don't know. I've already submitted my bishop's name and that of a former U.S. Senator. Only time will tell! 🙋
mfbukowski Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Still though that's 6,500 souls that are going to miss out on the Celestial Kingdom. It doesn't mean that at all. I think probably most of them are deluded like some we see here, and will have a better chance on the other side of seeing the truth. Others maybe not so much. I am not the one to judge anyway The church story is not easy to swallow, I think for a reason. But that is my opinion 2
JulieM Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 13 minutes ago, carbon dioxide said: 6500 is a good number but I would not call it a mass. It represents about one weeks worth of those being baptized into the Church. Are there really that many people baptized every week? Is that counting the child baptisms (8 year olds)? If that is new member baptisms, that's awesome!
carbon dioxide Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Thinking said: And we know that the only people resigning are doing so through that website. All is well! All is well for you if you are faithful. Our exaltation is not dependent on how many people join or leave the church. If 100,000 leave the church this year all it means is that there will be a few less in the celestial kingdom but with the countless billions there from this world and other worlds, there still will be more than enough for us to meet and hang out with. The people who resign think they are hurting the Church by leaving. Not really the case. All they are doing is blowing themselves up. Eternities of time they waited in the pre-mortal existence to get to this point and then they throw it all down the drain but it is their choice. Edited February 25, 2016 by carbon dioxide 1
The Nehor Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 4 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: Nothing to see here folks move along....these were all those who wanted to sin, the offended, the lazy, gays, queers, non-tithe payers, non-temple attending shellac's, the so called intellectuals and feminists... We really didn't lose anything of value...in fact we're better off without them to spew their micro minded lies and distortions of the truth...I say they've weighed us down and distorted our home teaching numbers for far too long. I say don't let the door hit your arse on the way out...good riddance Agreed.
Kenngo1969 Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 7 hours ago, smac97 said: I, ___________________, hereby authorize and assign Mark A. Naugle as my attorney and agent, to speak and act on my behalf in all matters concerning my relationship with and resignation from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [sic]. Any contact, whether verbal, written, electronic, or via representatives of the Church must be directed to Mark A. Naugle, Attorney at Law. To be terribly pedantic, then ("Noooooo! Lawyers [and those who "play" lawyers here at Mormon Dialogue and Discussion] are never pedantic!") there is a difference between "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints [sic]" and "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." If he wants to superintend resignations from the former, I'm perfectly OK with that, since such resignations would have no force and effect on membership status in the latter. 1
Popular Post mfbukowski Posted February 25, 2016 Popular Post Posted February 25, 2016 10 minutes ago, Thinking said: And we know that the only people resigning are doing so through that website. All is well! It's amazing to me that all those here who are ordinarily skeptics suddenly are taking this at face value as the "truth". Some guy with some site makes a claim that on its face makes little sense and is impossible to prove, and suddenly the church is falling apart. I'll tell you a better tall tale if you are ready to bite on THAT one... See there were these gold plates, brought by an angel, and....... 5
Kenngo1969 Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 4 hours ago, Analytics said: ... This policy [for resigning one's membership] includes the bishop trying to talk you out of your decision ... Your experience was your experience, and I wasn't there; perhaps your bishop did try to talk you out of resigning. That said, ensuring that one understands the consequences of his decision and is committed to it =/= "The bishop trying to talk you out of your decision." 2
carbon dioxide Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: It's amazing to me that all those here who are ordinarily skeptics suddenly are taking this at face value as the "truth". Some guy with some site makes a claim that on its face makes little sense and is impossible to prove, and suddenly the church is falling apart. I'll tell you a better tall tale if you are ready to bite on THAT one... See there were these gold plates, brought by an angel, and....... I believe this guy was involved in the resignation that occurred a few months about where about 1700 put in their letters. I have no doubts that the number is real. But does the number really mean anything. I know from the press releases that many of those in that event of 1700 members had not been to church for years. If someone does not go to Costco in years and they decide to formally take themselves off the membership rolls of Costco, does Costco really care?
VideoGameJunkie Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 19 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: It doesn't mean that at all. I think probably most of them are deluded like some we see here, and will have a better chance on the other side of seeing the truth. Others maybe not so much. I am not the one to judge anyway The church story is not easy to swallow, I think for a reason. But that is my opinion People will have the same passions and feelings in the next life and it's much harder to repent and change in the spirit world than it is to do in our mortal lives.
carbon dioxide Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 37 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Still though that's 6,500 souls that are going to miss out on the Celestial Kingdom. That would be true if all of them were active, faithful members. I would predict that the bulk of them did not fall into that category.
Thinking Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 30 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: It's amazing to me that all those here who are ordinarily skeptics suddenly are taking this at face value as the "truth". Some guy with some site makes a claim that on its face makes little sense and is impossible to prove, and suddenly the church is falling apart. I'll tell you a better tall tale if you are ready to bite on THAT one... See there were these gold plates, brought by an angel, and....... I was just pointing out that some were acting like the alleged resignations from his site were the only resignations happening.
JulieM Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 1 hour ago, mfbukowski said: Some guy with some site makes a claim that on its face makes little sense and is impossible to prove, and suddenly the church is falling apart. Who here (on this thread) has said this (that "the church is falling apart") if these numbers are accurate?
mfbukowski Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, JulieM said: Who here (on this thread) has said this (that "the church is falling apart") if these numbers are accurate? Uh, the OP? Like "mass apostasy"?
JulieM Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: Uh, the OP? Like "mass apostasy"? So you believe that smac97 stated that these numbers are accurate and mean that "the church is falling apart"? I don't think that's what smac97 was saying in his OP. Even if he believed these resignations meant there was a mass apostasy, he never stated that "the church was falling apart". Those are YOUR words. And, from what I've read here on this thread, no one else has stated that. Edited February 25, 2016 by JulieM
mfbukowski Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, JulieM said: So you believe that smac97 stated that these numbers are accurate and mean that "the church is falling apart"? I don't think that's what he's saying in his OP. And, from what I've read here on this thread, no one else has stated that either. Oh gosh Have you heard of "sarcasm" or "hyperbole"? And you want to start a war over an intentional exaggeration? Remain Calm. 2
JulieM Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: Oh gosh Have you heard of "sarcasm" or "hyperbole"? And you want to start a war over an intentional exaggeration? Remain Calm. I'm just correcting your exaggeration. I'm as calm as can be smac97 was questioning the accuracy of this report in his OP, and you refer to it as your only evidence that people are saying the church is falling apart? That's a misrepresentation and I'm pointing that out. Nothing more. Edited February 25, 2016 by JulieM 1
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