VideoGameJunkie Posted February 6, 2016 Author Posted February 6, 2016 I have heard of people experiencing psychosis from marijuana, but who knows what that marijuana was laced with, and maybe doctor manufactured kind wouldn't cause the psychosis or dangerous kinds.
RevTestament Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 20 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said: I have heard of people experiencing psychosis from marijuana, but who knows what that marijuana was laced with, and maybe doctor manufactured kind wouldn't cause the psychosis or dangerous kinds. This is one of the major problems with using illegal drugs. The dealers have suppliers that have their own "brand" or mix to try to give their product a little extra value. However, who knows what they add? Only them. When someone uses illegal drugs, they are depending on people willing to break the law not to poison them - that is a pretty big risk. I am sure many people have been damaged by extra chemicals combined with illegal drugs. Legalizing it would probably eliminate most of that risk. By legalizing it, I really kind of doubt the usage would go up much, but ultimately the price would drop because a lot of people would just grow their own, and the dealers would be taken out of the picture. I know I would not buy it even if it was legal - just as I don't buy any cigarettes nor use other tobacco. I really don't even use any legal drugs - rarely I use OTC stuff for colds and such. If I had cancer or was terminal, I might appreciate having access tho. My 2 cents.
VideoGameJunkie Posted February 7, 2016 Author Posted February 7, 2016 55 minutes ago, RevTestament said: If I had cancer or was terminal, I might appreciate having access tho. My 2 cents. That's the main thing. I will never use marijuana myself, but I feel it should be available to those with cancer or who have terminal or bad conditions that it could help. For once I'm thinking about others instead of just myself, and it turns out it's something the church is against. Oh well. 1
Calm Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 2 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said: I have heard of people experiencing psychosis from marijuana, but who knows what that marijuana was laced with, and maybe doctor manufactured kind wouldn't cause the psychosis or dangerous kinds. From what I understand, what is usually meant by allowing medical marijuana isn't ensuring that it meets standards like pharmaceutical drug manufacturing are capable of doing.
VideoGameJunkie Posted February 7, 2016 Author Posted February 7, 2016 Just now, Calm said: From what I understand, what is usually meant by allowing medical marijuana isn't ensuring that it meets standards like pharmaceutical drug manufacturing are capable of doing. Well that could be a problem because many forms of current marijuana can mess people's brains up. Especially spice which makes some people brain dead and they eventually die.
Calm Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Medical info (provided by a Canadian friend), the below is under "serious precautions and warnings": http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/marihuana/info/cons-eng.php Quote Keep any fresh or dried marijuana and cannabis oil out of reach of children. Cannabis (marihuana, marijuana) contains hundreds of substances, some of which can affect the proper functioning of the brain and central nervous system. The use of this product involves risks to health, some of which may not be known or fully understood. Studies supporting the safety and efficacy of cannabis for therapeutic purposes are limited and do not meet the standard required by the Food and Drug Regulations for marketed drugs in Canada. Smoking cannabis is not recommended. Do not smoke or vapourize cannabis in the presence of children. Using cannabis or any cannabis product can impair your concentration, your ability to think and make decisions, and your reaction time and coordination. This can affect your motor skills, including your ability to drive. It can also increase anxiety and cause panic attacks, and in some cases cause paranoia and hallucinations. Cognitive impairment may be greatly increased when cannabis is consumed along with alcohol or other drugs which affect the activity of the nervous system (e.g. opioids, sleeping pills, other psychoactive drugs) Also: Quote Cannabis should not be used if you: are under the age of 25 are allergic to any cannabinoid or to smoke have serious liver, kidney, heart or lung disease have a personal or family history of serious mental disorders such as schizophrenia, psychosis, depression, or bipolar disorder are pregnant, are planning to get pregnant, or are breast-feeding are a man who wishes to start a family have a history of alcohol or drug abuse or substance dependence I wonder if the bolded is longterm or short term. Edited February 7, 2016 by Calm 1
Kenngo1969 Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 14 hours ago, rodheadlee said: "Marijuana is reported to have compounds with purportedly-beneficial effects. Fine: isolate those compounds, test them to provide empirical data of their effectiveness, standardize their production, and make them available for medicinal purposes." Just exactly how long is that going to take? In the meantime my cancer survivor wife will keep smoking pot. It's the only thing keeping her appetite up. She is down to 91lbs and I don't care to see her lose more weight. I'm sympathetic to your wife's plight. I cannot imagine what it is like to watch someone you love go through something like that, but, however little they may be worth (not enough, alas) you do have my sympathies. My sister-in-law has cancer. Legalities aside, she has covenanted to obey the Word of Wisdom, and I hope she would keep that covenant. (I think the spiritual ramifications of keeping that covenant would far outweigh the temporal benefits of setting it aside, even for a good reason.) On the other hand, if their family were to move to a jurisdiction where medical marijuana use is permitted in order to take advantage of that so as to alleviate some of her symptoms, I would not be directly affected by that decision, and I'm not their bishop or their stake president, so I would lack standing to question it. I recognize that the course of action I suggest in the essay I linked to earlier would mean that any purported benefits would not be discovered in time to help many of those most in need of them while research is underway, but that's true of any research situation and any purportedly beneficial substance, not just of medicinal marijuana. Best to you and your wife.
The Nehor Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 9 hours ago, RevTestament said: This is one of the major problems with using illegal drugs. The dealers have suppliers that have their own "brand" or mix to try to give their product a little extra value. However, who knows what they add? Only them. When someone uses illegal drugs, they are depending on people willing to break the law not to poison them - that is a pretty big risk. I am sure many people have been damaged by extra chemicals combined with illegal drugs. Legalizing it would probably eliminate most of that risk. By legalizing it, I really kind of doubt the usage would go up much, but ultimately the price would drop because a lot of people would just grow their own, and the dealers would be taken out of the picture. I know I would not buy it even if it was legal - just as I don't buy any cigarettes nor use other tobacco. I really don't even use any legal drugs - rarely I use OTC stuff for colds and such. If I had cancer or was terminal, I might appreciate having access tho. My 2 cents. Downside is that legal drugs are not regulated all that well either. Supplement companies through an unholy fit and ran a massive propaganda campaign when the FDA sought the power to verify that supplements actually contain the supplements listed after multiple tests revealed that many supplements were often missing the main ingredient on the labelling. They spun it as the big bad government trying to take away our Vitamin C and the FDA was shut down from testing. Prescription drugs are tested slightly better but still not as impressive as I would like.
Bernard Gui Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) If marijuana has legitimate medical uses, what are the FDA regulations that control its production, quality control, uses, prescriptions, dosages, and contraindicatives? Having served in the LDS Family Services addiction recovery program for 8 years, I have plenty of anecdotal evidence that it is a dangerous drug. The next step, of course, is legal recreational use. There are more marijuana shops within 5 miles of my home than stores that sell alcohol. (Washington) I'm not convinced that is good for our community. Edited February 7, 2016 by Bernard Gui 3
thesometimesaint Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 6 hours ago, Bernard Gui said: If marijuana has legitimate medical uses, what are the FDA regulations that control its production, quality control, uses, prescriptions, dosages, and contraindicatives? Having served in the LDS Family Services addiction recovery program for 8 years, I have plenty of anecdotal evidence that it is a dangerous drug. The next step, of course, is legal recreational use. There are more marijuana shops within 5 miles of my home than stores that sell alcohol. (Washington) I'm not convinced that is good for our community. It is a bit of a Catch 22 with Marijuana. Its use is legally banned by the Feds, and the FDA won't approve independent research on it with the ban in place. It may be of some use by those with some forms of cancer, but without independent research, we just don't know.
VideoGameJunkie Posted February 7, 2016 Author Posted February 7, 2016 It's also still classified by America as a class 1 drug. That's very high up there.
salgare Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 22 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said: I personally would never use marijuana even for medical purposes, because my psychiatrist said it would cause psychotic episodes with me because of my Tourettes and the meds I'm already taking. Your doctor has to tell you that, even if they personally believe different.
thesometimesaint Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 4 minutes ago, salgare said: Your doctor has to tell you that, even if they personally believe different. His doctor did. Besides we adults are all personally responsible for what we put into our bodies.
salgare Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 All I know is that I went illegal during my chemo. When my wife first found out she threw a major fit. Two weeks later ... Dear don't you think you should smoke some today? When I was done with chemo, I was done with the pot, no big deal. 1
thesometimesaint Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 1 hour ago, salgare said: All I know is that I went illegal during my chemo. When my wife first found out she threw a major fit. Two weeks later ... Dear don't you think you should smoke some today? When I was done with chemo, I was done with the pot, no big deal. I'm glad it worked for you. Unfortunately many more just use it as a recreational drug.
salgare Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: I'm glad it worked for you. Unfortunately many more just use it as a recreational drug. and, so what? People already do, and will continue to no matter what the law does. This law will simply make it legal for those who really do need it for medical reasons. Edited February 7, 2016 by salgare
thesometimesaint Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 14 minutes ago, salgare said: and, so what? People already do, and will continue to no matter what the law does. This law will simply make it legal for those who really do need it for medical reasons. EXCUSE ME! That fact that someone does something illegal isn't an excuse to do it yourself. I've long advocated for the decriminalization of all drugs including pot. I would like to see further research of pots medical benefits, if there are any.
salgare Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, thesometimesaint said: EXCUSE ME! That fact that someone does something illegal isn't an excuse to do it yourself. I've long advocated for the decriminalization of all drugs including pot. I would like to see further research of pots medical benefits, if there are any. did you fart? I'm confused ... I think we just agreed. I'm suggesting that the people that illegally smoke pot now will continue, rather its legal or not. Edited February 7, 2016 by salgare
thesometimesaint Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, salgare said: did you fart? I'm confused ... I think we just agreed. I'm suggesting that the people that illegally smoke pot now will continue, rather its legal or not. My apologies I misunderstood.
deli_llama Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) On February 6, 2016 at 7:41 AM, rodheadlee said: "Marijuana is reported to have compounds with purportedly-beneficial effects. Fine: isolate those compounds, test them to provide empirical data of their effectiveness, standardize their production, and make them available for medicinal purposes." Just exactly how long is that going to take? In the meantime my cancer survivor wife will keep smoking pot. It's the only thing keeping her appetite up. She is down to 91lbs and I don't care to see her lose more weight. Thanks for sharing this. I will recall her and you in my prayers. I, for one, am very grateful that medical cannabis is available in some places. I have been using it for five and some odd years to treat seizures. They started while serving my mission, and for the next 15 years there wasn't one pharmaceutical product that could manage them, the side effects were hell on my body, not to mention the mental/psych side effect—you know, like feeling you were on drugs all the time. Did some soul searching, made the switch to cannabis. Haven't had a seizure since. I have had the very rare onset, but it is very manageable. I've had my life back for the last half-a-decade, so yeah, grateful too. Ps, rodheadlee, I will send her all the weight she wants. Since I have switched I have been consistently loosing weight, she can have any of those lost pounds. Edited February 8, 2016 by deli_llama
RevTestament Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 27 minutes ago, deli_llama said: Thanks for sharing this. I will recall her and you in my prayers. I, for one, am very grateful that medical cannabis is available in some places. I have been using it for five and some odd years to treat seizures. They started while serving my mission, and for the next 15 years there wasn't one pharmaceutical product that could manage them, the side effects were hell on my body, not to mention the mental/psych side effect—you know, like feeling you were on drugs all the time. Did some soul searching, made the switch to cannabis. Haven't had a seizure since. I have had the very rare onset, but it is very manageable. I've had my life back for the last half-a-decade, so yeah, grateful too. Ps, rodheadlee, I will send her all the weight she wants. Since I have switched I have been consistently loosing weight, she can have any of those lost pounds. How do you use it? Do you smoke it or use it some other way? Is there any type which deals with the seizures better than others?
JAHS Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 11 minutes ago, RevTestament said: How do you use it? Do you smoke it or use it some other way? Is there any type which deals with the seizures better than others? I have heard that a liquid form of medical marijuana, called cannabidiol, works good for seizures. It does have a few side effects to consider. http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/news/20150413/liquid-medical-marijuana-shows-promise-against-severe-epilepsy 1
rodheadlee Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 19 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: I'm sympathetic to your wife's plight. I cannot imagine what it is like to watch someone you love go through something like that, but, however little they may be worth (not enough, alas) you do have my sympathies. My sister-in-law has cancer. Legalities aside, she has covenanted to obey the Word of Wisdom, and I hope she would keep that covenant. (I think the spiritual ramifications of keeping that covenant would far outweigh the temporal benefits of setting it aside, even for a good reason.) On the other hand, if their family were to move to a jurisdiction where medical marijuana use is permitted in order to take advantage of that so as to alleviate some of her symptoms, I would not be directly affected by that decision, and I'm not their bishop or their stake president, so I would lack standing to question it. I recognize that the course of action I suggest in the essay I linked to earlier would mean that any purported benefits would not be discovered in time to help many of those most in need of them while research is underway, but that's true of any research situation and any purportedly beneficial substance, not just of medicinal marijuana. Best to you and your wife. Thanks for your concern. Where we live it is legal with a prescription. Quality is not currently monitored but will soon be. The laws have been passed it just needs to be implemented. Pot can take the place of a muscle relaxer like cyclobenzeprene, it can increase your appetite, it helps reduce nausea, it helps you tolerate and endure chronic pain. The reason it makes a better muscle relaxer is you don't wakeup the next morning with a drug hangover like with cyclobenzeprene. Also if you have an emergency you can respond better than if you had taken a muscle relaxer. Your sister-in-law will be in our prayers.
deli_llama Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, RevTestament said: How do you use it? Do you smoke it or use it some other way? Is there any type which deals with the seizures better than others? I prefer very low dose capsules that contain (whole plant) extract in an oil like coconut oil. They are very hard to find around here with a low enough dose. I don't like edible products, they are hard to manage dosage, and the products just aren't consistent. I usually end up smoking it. This way the dosing is in my control and no one else's. I can't say I enjoy smoking it, but it is blended with other herbs I am also using as part of the treatment, so it doesn't taste all that foul. Not all seizures have the same cause or mechanism. There has been some good research in regards to epilepsy and high CBD strains. Cannabidiol (CBDs), like THC are a component of plant; but unlike THC, CBDs non-psychoactive. My seizures are not epilepsy, but the treatment has also been effective for me. When it is available (and affordable), I prefer high CBD strains. When high CBD strains are not available, a sativa strain that is lower in THC and high in the CBDs works. Not all patients are the same, but in my case it doesn't take much to maintain my health. Definitely not enough reach a high or stoned state. Israel is producing a lot great research regarding medical cannabis and seizures. Edited February 8, 2016 by deli_llama 3
deli_llama Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 2 hours ago, JAHS said: I have heard that a liquid form of medical marijuana, called cannabidiol, works good for seizures. It does have a few side effects to consider. http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/news/20150413/liquid-medical-marijuana-shows-promise-against-severe-epilepsy The article is a little sloppy. Cannabidiol (CBD) is a main component of the plant, the other component is the THC. The article makes it sound like the product they were testing/researching was a liquid form of medical cannabis called cannabidiol. Based on the pharmaceutical company mentioned supporting the study, the product name could be Epidiolex.
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