The church is opposing medical marijuana in Utah

[Calm]

So are the extracts available now (or would be if ruled legal)?  Is the other law that that Church has said nothing on a reasonable alternative in your view?

[PeterPear]

The neighbor to Utah, Colorado, legalized medical marijuana in 2000.

In 2012 Colorado legalized "recreational use" of marijuana.

Here are the problems:

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/family/marijuana-the-big-picture/colorado-a-marijuana-case-study

Legalizing "medical marijuana" was nothing more than a ploy to eventually legalize its recreational use. If any of you can't see that, then I feel sorry for your lack of intelligence.

Edited February 8, 2016 by PeterPear

[VideoGameJunkie]

4 minutes ago, PeterPear said:

The neighbor to Utah, Colorado, legalized medical marijuana in 2000.

In 2012 Colorado legalized "recreational use" of marijuana.

Here are the problems:

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/family/marijuana-the-big-picture/colorado-a-marijuana-case-study

Legalizing "medical marijuana" was nothing more than a ploy to eventually legalize its recreational use. If any of you can't see that, then I feel sorry for your lack of intelligence.

Well I see recreational becoming legal nationwide eventually like gay marriage. Massachusetts was the first state to legalize gay marriage and now it's legal nationwide. It's only a matter of time for marijuana now.

[deli_llama]

On February 7, 2016 at 5:13 PM, VideoGameJunkie said:

Well that could be a problem because many forms of current marijuana can mess people's brains up. Especially spice which makes some people brain dead and they eventually die.

Spice is not marijuana/cannabis. It is made by taking (usually) harmless herbs and spraying them with synthetic lab created cannabidnoids. Just for grins they might even toss in something extra, like phenazapam. 

You could (should) be called brain dead just for wanting to take it. 

[RevTestament]

1 hour ago, deli_llama said:

I prefer very low dose capsules that contain (whole plant) extract in an oil like coconut oil. They are very hard to find around here with a low enough dose. I don't like edible products, they are hard to manage dosage, and the products just aren't consistent. I usually end up smoking it. This way the dosing is in my control and no one else's. I can't say I enjoy smoking it, but it is blended with other herbs I am also using as part of the treatment, so it doesn't taste all that foul. 

Not all seizures have the same cause or mechanism. There has been some good research in regards to epilepsy and high CBD strains. Cannabidiol (CBDs), like THC are a component of plant; but unlike THC, CBDs non-psychoactive. 

My seizures are not epilepsy, but the treatment has also been effective for me. When it is available (and affordable), I prefer high CBD strains. When high CBD strains are not available, a sativa strain that is lower in THC and high in the CBDs works. Not all patients are the same, but in my case it doesn't take much to maintain my health. Definitely not enough reach a high or stoned state. 

Israel is producing a lot great research regarding medical cannabis and seizures. 

Thank you. Why do you think this has been causing you to lose weight? I know someone whose seizures were triggered by an accident, but her child has also had seizures, so there is a biological component. The anti-seizure medications have caused her to gain a lot of weight. Do you believe getting off the anti-seizure medications have anything to do with your weight loss?

[deli_llama]

7 minutes ago, RevTestament said:

Thank you. Why do you think this has been causing you to lose weight? I know someone whose seizures were triggered by an accident, but her child has also had seizures, so there is a biological component. The anti-seizure medications have caused her to gain a lot of weight. Do you believe getting off the anti-seizure medications have anything to do with your weight loss?

It was the anti-seizure meds. I have lost just over 100 pounds. A huge part of it was removing myself from the seizure meds, that weight came off fast. In fact, it is was the vast majority the loss. The rest has to do with being able to be more active physically. 

I don't feel it was just the change in my medicines. I started approaching my health in a more holistic manner.  Until I was able to break the chains that the prescriptions were placing on me though, I couldn't have made any real lasting changes in regards to my health. 

[RevTestament]

3 minutes ago, deli_llama said:

It was the anti-seizure meds. I have lost just over 100 pounds. A huge part of it was removing myself from the seizure meds, that weight came off fast. In fact, it is was the vast majority the loss. The rest has to do with being able to be more active physically. 

I don't feel it was just the change in my medicines. I started approaching my health in a more holistic manner.  Until I was able to break the chains that the prescriptions were placing on me though, I couldn't have made any real lasting changes in regards to my health. 

I take it from your responses that the oral CBD concentrates don't cause you any noticeable "high" effect?

I am going to mention this to her, as she has gotten to the point where her weight is going to kill her. However, obtaining it will definitely be a problem for her in Utah. She may be willing to go to Colorado to get a prescription tho.

[deli_llama]

I hope something is helpful for her. Maybe this could be.

High CBD strains should not cause a noticeable high or stoned feeling. But, for me, careful sativa use doesn't cause feelings of intoxication. It is all about wisdom and prudence whenever you use any herbs.

It is a terrible thing your friend is enduring. If you think I can be of any help, feel free to send me a private message.

I have talked to people from Utah that are pretty much doing what you described (Colorado). It is one of the reasons I am a bit frustrated that we decided to involve ourselves in the legislative process. No law concerning medical cannabis is going to be perfect the first, or tenth time around, but holding up any progress until there is a perfect law proposed seems a bit trivial, especially given the real and immediate suffering others are experiencing.  I am legal in three and sometimes four states (we move a lot), and the laws are being improved, both for patient and the public safety. Washington's medical laws have actually improved with time and with the legalization of recreational use. Better control of the medical despenseries. Better patient care and follow up as well, with a couple of required visits throughout the year.  It is more of a primary care situation, and not the "other doctor" you go see after you have medical records. It has to start somewhere, and the laws can be improved or changed later. 

ETA-I missed the oral part. Yeah, CBD orally just really doesn't produce highs or stoned.

And, I forgot, I use high CBD "treats" to ease my dog's joint injury. She went from limping often to never, and she is much more active now.  Shrug. 

Edited February 8, 2016 by deli_llama

[Gray]

I see the plan to completely alienate everyone under the age of 30 is going well

[Kenngo1969]

43 minutes ago, Gray said:

I see the plan to completely alienate everyone under the age of 30 is going well

Agree with the position of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or disagree.  Feel free to say why in either case.  Drive-by cheapshotting doesn't add much to the conversation.  Just sayin'!  

[Gray]

43 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Agree with the position of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or disagree.  Feel free to say why in either case.  Drive-by cheapshotting doesn't add much to the conversation.  Just sayin'!  

 

Agree to disagree (/Nehorism)

I suppose the church could come out against ironic fashion statements to complete a sort of trifecta of statements intended to get pesky kids off the proverbial lawn.

[thesometimesaint]

2 minutes ago, Gray said:

 

Agree to disagree (/Nehorism)

I suppose the church could come out against ironic fashion statements to complete a sort of trifecta of statements intended to get pesky kids off the proverbial lawn.

Just the "weed".

[Scott Lloyd]

On February 8, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Gray said:

I see the plan to completely alienate everyone under the age of 30 is going well

For as long as I can remember, the Church of Jesus Christ has taught against the recreational use of marijuana. From what I can tell, in the three-score years of my lifetime, it has never suffered the complete alienation of "everyone under the age of 30" -- not even in the free-wheeling, do-your-own-thing era of the late 'sixties, which, I daresay, you are too young to remember, assuming you had even been born back then.

 

Edited February 10, 2016 by Scott Lloyd

[TheSkepticChristian]

[VideoGameJunkie]

Skeptic Christian is feeling the Bern.

[JAHS]

Some info from the NIH which may have influenced church leaders opinion on this:

Why isn’t the marijuana plant an FDA-approved medicine?

The FDA requires carefully conducted studies (clinical trials) in hundreds to thousands of human subjects to determine the benefits and risks of a possible medication. So far, researchers have not conducted enough large-scale clinical trials that show that the benefits of the marijuana plant (as opposed to its cannabinoid ingredients) outweigh its risks in patients it is meant to treat.

HC over activates certain brain cell receptors, resulting in effects such as:
altered senses
changes in mood
impaired body movement
difficulty with thinking and problem-solving
impaired memory and learning
Marijuana use may have a wide range of effects, both physical and mental, which include:
breathing illnesses
increased heart rate
possible harm to a fetus’s brain in pregnant users
hallucinations and paranoia
The amount of THC in marijuana has been increasing steadily, creating more harmful effects for users.
Contrary to common belief, marijuana can be addictive. Research suggests that about 1 in 11 users becomes addicted to marijuana.
Treatment for marijuana addiction includes forms of behavioral therapy. No medications currently exist for treatment.
Users also report less academic and career success. For example, marijuana use is linked to a higher likelihood of dropping out of school. It is also linked to more job absences, accidents, and injuries.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

 

[TheSkepticChristian]

3 hours ago, JAHS said:

Some info from the NIH which may have influenced church leaders opinion on this:

Our church shouldn't get involved in politics like that, the war on drugs creates powerful drug cartels. 

Why is our church not politically against fruit smoothies? or against Saturated fat in the canola oil used to fry the fries?  
More than 10% of adults ages 45 to 64 suffer from heart disease. "Reported a health professional had ever told them" 

 

Edited February 9, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian

[thesometimesaint]

You can live a long and happy life not smoking pot. Not eating food not so much.

[TheSkepticChristian]

11 hours ago, thesometimesaint said:

You can live a long and happy life not smoking pot. Not eating food not so much.

Like it or not, but junk food can even contribute to depression.  

Edited February 9, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian

[thesometimesaint]

10 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

Like it or not, but junk food even causes depression. 

To make a constant diet of junk food isn't good for you, but it is better than not eating anything.

[TheSkepticChristian]

6 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said:

To make a constant diet of junk food isn't good for you, but it is better than not eating anything.

A lady is about 120 years  old says her secret is avoiding junk food since she was young. 

It is sad that our church is involved in politics again, why is our church not politically against smoothies? I can see no health benefit in smoothies, smoothies are extremely unhealthy. 

I am not even sure the church is politically against alcohol. alcohol is far worst than marijuana. 

Edited February 9, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian

[Kenngo1969]

12 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

Like it or not, but junk food even causes depression. 

Hmmm. I'd be the last person to advocate eating junk food, and I'll even admit that, on that score, to a certain extent, if I were advising someone regarding his diet, I'd have to say, essentially, "Do as I say, not so much as I do."  I'll even grant that, in many cases, a high junk food intake strongly correlates with depression, and that the better one eats, the more likely one is to feel better.  But, having said all of that, to borrow a derivative of a portion of your screen name, a correlation is not a cause, and I'm often skeptical of the claims of those who attribute such complex, multifaceted conditions as clinical depression to single causes. Further, there's sort of a "chicken-and-egg" phenomenon at work in many cases of depression: Is someone depressed because s/he eats poorly (and/or because s/he makes poor dietary choices), or does one eat poorly (and/or does s/he make poor dietary choices) because s/he's depressed?  While I'll admit further that no generalizations can be drawn from a mere sample size of one, I can tell you that, at least in my own case, the former proposition is true at least as often as the latter one is.

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical.  I do find it interesting, however, that, often, those who claim to be the most skeptical of claims provided by others often have huge blind spots when the same standard is applied to their own logic.

My $0.02.  Your mileage likey varies.  Vive le difference! 

[TheSkepticChristian]

1 minute ago, Kenngo1969 said:

 I'm often skeptical of the claims of those who attribute such complex, multifaceted conditions as clinical depression to single causes. 

Of course junk food is not the only cause, but it can significantly contribute in some cases. Perhaps you can try to understand what I am saying. 

[TheSkepticChristian]

11 hours ago, thesometimesaint said:

You can live a long and happy life not smoking pot. Not eating food not so much.

Being highly addicted to unhealthy food (like smoothies) is worst than smoking marijuana once a month, so what a double standard. 

I hope the church stops getting involved in politics, especially because the war on drugs creates powerful drug cartels. 

[Kenngo1969]

1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

Of course junk food is not the only cause, but it can significantly contribute in some cases. Perhaps you can try to understand what I am saying. 

With all due respect, you're back-pedaling.  (Or, if you're a door-to-door salesman, as some here on the Board would have it, you're "back-peddling."   Sorry; couldn't resist! ) We've gone from "junk food causes depression" (your words; I'm glad I quoted you to preserve the original) to "it can significantly contribute in some cases."  I'll be more than happy to make a reasonable effort to understand you, but it seems as though you haven't made enough of a a good-faith effort to ensure that I do.  I realize you're a relative newcomer, but even you ought to be familiar enough with my posting history to know how much I value precision in reasoning and expression (I don't think those are unreasonable expectations, not only from me, but in general, especially not from someone who touts himself as (presumably) a logical skeptic).  With all due respect, it seems as though you don't want to take the time necessary to express yourself clearly and logically in the first instance, while wanting your reader to put in the extra work necessary to connect any dots you may have left unconnected.  Sorry, but that ain't the way it works!   Thanks fer playin'!