The church is opposing medical marijuana in Utah

[VideoGameJunkie]

This is of course predicted, but what should temple recommend members who have chronic illness, cancer, or chrons disease do for pain relief? Here's the article. http://www.sltrib.com/news/3505422-155/mormon-church-opposing-utah-medical-marijuana

[VideoGameJunkie]

I'm against recreational marijuana use, but I've seen cancer patients that Marijuana has helped be able to eat so they don't starve from the chemo induced side effects. But I guess the church knows what it's doing with being anti medical marijuana.

Edited February 6, 2016 by VideoGameJunkie

[Freedom]

"Maybe they don't want to be known as the special interest who put their thumb on the scale and decided this for everyone in the state," he said. "If they're going to put their thumb on the scale politically and force everyone to a standard, then I think they owe something of an explanation to the people."

 

It this is truly the case, then perhaps some explaining is in order. Are there some genuine doctrinal concerns? I would rather all drugs were decriminalized. The war on drugs has destroyed countries like mexico.   

[VideoGameJunkie]

2 minutes ago, Freedom said:

"Maybe they don't want to be known as the special interest who put their thumb on the scale and decided this for everyone in the state," he said. "If they're going to put their thumb on the scale politically and force everyone to a standard, then I think they owe something of an explanation to the people."

 

It this is truly the case, then perhaps some explaining is in order. Are there some genuine doctrinal concerns? I would rather all drugs were decriminalized. The war on drugs has destroyed countries like mexico.   

I don't know. I know in the word of wisdom, herbs are talked about as being ok to use for illness, but I could be interpreting that wrong.

[JAHS]

I guess they have to move to Colorado. That is strange that a member in Colorado can use it and have a temple recommend but not in Utah. If it's legal status is the only reason to not allow it, I'm not sure why they object to making it legal.

[VideoGameJunkie]

9 minutes ago, JAHS said:

I guess they have to move to Colorado. That is strange that a member in Colorado can use it and have a temple recommend but not in Utah. If it's legal status is the only reason to not allow it, I'm not sure why they object to making it legal.

I know, and the alternative is taking opioid drugs which can be overdosed on and can have side effects like bowel problems.

[Coreyb]

I will support medical cannabis use until I see a revelation speaking against it, and I feel the Holy Ghost tell me it's true. That is my right and yours

[Calm]

Seems to me they've explained it:

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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints opposes a bill sponsored by Sen. Mark Madsen that would make Utah the 24th state to legalize medical marijuana, citing unintended consequences that could come with use of the drug.

The state's predominant faith is not taking a position on another measure, sponsored by Sen. Evan Vickers, R-Cedar City, and Rep. Brad Daw, R-Orem, that would allow extracts from the plant that do not contain the psychoactive chemical THC.

"Along with others, we have expressed concern about the unintended consequences that may accompany the legalization of medical marijuana," LDS Church spokesman Eric Hawkins said in a statement to The Tribune. "We have expressed opposition to Senator Madsen's bill because of that concern. We are raising no objection to the other bill that addresses this issue."

 

Since there appears to be no problem with using the extracts that will not alter the mind states of patients, it seems pretty clear why.

[VideoGameJunkie]

Does the church think people just want to get high? "I really wanted this to pass so I could go back to using and keep the temple recommend, so I could keep going to the temple with my wife, but at the same time be able to work and get out of bed in the morning," Stoll said. "It's a bit surprising to me that it's OK for me to be on all the opioids that put me at continual risk of dying, of addiction, of all the complications," he said. "It amazes me I can have a temple recommend with the one and not the other."

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

This is of course predicted, but what should temple recommend members who have chronic illness, cancer, or chrons disease do for pain relief? Here's the article. http://www.sltrib.com/news/3505422-155/mormon-church-opposing-utah-medical-marijuana

Usually, medical use is a gateway to legalization. There are indeed cases where to can help many who are suffering. But medial use always comes with doctors prescribing to those who not really in need, (a similar thing cases a raid on an entire hospital) and over,prescribing to those who are in need. 

 

 

[Calm]

10 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

Does the church think people just want to get high? "I really wanted this to pass so I could go back to using and keep the temple recommend, so I could keep going to the temple with my wife, but at the same time be able to work and get out of bed in the morning," Stoll said. "It's a bit surprising to me that it's OK for me to be on all the opioids that put me at continual risk of dying, of addiction, of all the complications," he said. "It amazes me I can have a temple recommend with the one and not the other."

Perhaps they understand that only some would be taking it for that reason but they teach against using mindaltering substance because of the impact on our mental, emotional and spiritual health, so I think it is more that they see one can get the same medical effect from the extracts without the mindaltering effects of the THC, so why not go that route.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Calm

[VideoGameJunkie]

8 minutes ago, Pa Pa said:

Usually, medical use is a gateway to legalization. There are indeed cases where to can help many who are suffering. But medial use always comes with doctors prescribing to those who not really in need, (a similar thing cases a raid on an entire hospital) and over,prescribing to those who are in need. 

 

 

But should the church take part in the politics of the state and does that violate the separation of church and state?

[VideoGameJunkie]

Just now, Calm said:

Perhaps but they teach against using mindaltering substance because of the impact on our mental, emotional and spiritual health, so I think it is more that they see one can get the same medical effect from the extracts without the mindaltering effects of the THC, so why not go that route.

Very good point.

[carbon dioxide]

51 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

This is of course predicted, but what should temple recommend members who have chronic illness, cancer, or chrons disease do for pain relief?

Perhaps get loaded up on prescription drugs?

[carbon dioxide]

I think all drugs should be legal.  The government does not own our bodies.  It does not have a right to tell us what we can and can not do with them.  Of course those foolish enough to abuse their bodies should also expect and be willing to accept the consequences of of it.  If I choose to inject bleach into my veins, I must accept what results from that.

[VideoGameJunkie]

The church is not against opioids being prescribed though and those can kill you and cause addiction and has lead many to heroin addiction in Utah.

Edited February 6, 2016 by VideoGameJunkie

[strappinglad]

Sorry, but the State DOES own your body. Die under suspicious circumstances and see who gets to keep your body as long as it wants. There is always the problem of a person under the influence of drugs doing damage to others. I'm told that marijuana users only do damage to a pizza, but I also know that the use of machinery under MJ can be deadly for others. If all drugs were legal , some folks would want to try synthetic substances just for fun. Drug dealers have a way of making money from foolish people. I agree that the War on Drugs has been a failure and that the same resources could have been used to educate and treat the addicts.

[Calm]

14 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

The church is not against opioids being prescribed though and those can kill you and cause addiction and has lead many to heroin addiction in Utah.

I bet you they would be if there was another option.

[VideoGameJunkie]

10 minutes ago, Calm said:

I bet you they would be if there was another option.

I agree, drugs are needed sometimes for pain and to treat conditions like cancer, MS, Chrohns disease, and seizures and pain and broken bones. Suffering is not a fun alternative. Would the church rather have people suffer in misery as long as they're not using drugs?

Edited February 6, 2016 by VideoGameJunkie

[strappinglad]

45 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

. Would the church rather have people suffer in misery as long as they're not using drugs?

wow! That's quite a question. On my mission a companion was prescribed a couple of tablespoons of rum every day in order to relieve a condition that arose. He contacted the mission pres and was told to follow the doctor's orders. So much for the Church wanting someone to suffer .

[volgadon]

58 minutes ago, Calm said:

I bet you they would be if there was another option.

In this case marijuana is probably a better option for most issues.

[The Nehor]

This guy is grandstanding. He tries to compare it to the support for immigrants the church did endorse in avoiding splitting up immigrant families.

"They have to dislocate themselves from their community and move away — or at least the sick one does — or they take them off to jail. That breaks up a family, too," he said. "Why does [compassion] apply to one group of people? Is it because there's a greater potential baptismal pool in [the immigrant] demographic? … Are [the ill] people not worthy? Have they sinned in some way that makes them unworthy of that consideration?"

You heard it here first folks: the LDS Church hates the sick.

[thesometimesaint]

I don't favor all out legalization. However I could get behind decriminalization with extensive drug rehab for all those that want it.

[TheSkepticChristian]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

Perhaps they understand that only some would be taking it for that reason but they teach against using mindaltering substance because of the impact on our mental, emotional and spiritual health, so I think it is more that they see one can get the same medical effect from the extracts without the mindaltering effects of the THC, so why not go that route.

Added sugar is more dangerous than marijuana, so why is our church not politically against it? Added sugar also has an impact on mental health. New study found that using too much marijuana everyday for 5+ years could damage your short-term memory, but the evidence is not conclusive. For the people that need medical marijuana short-term memory skills are not their priority.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/01/what-happens-when-you-get-stoned-every-single-day-for-five-years/

Our church shouldn't get involved in politics again. 

 

 

 

Edited February 6, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian

[thesometimesaint]

Self rationalization isn't pretty to watch. If he wants to smoke his brains out, be my guest.